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alum.427
March 04, 2018 at 05:11:17 AM
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The platinum guys get a good deal. The WoO makes it very simple, on a scheduled woo race night, you will race with us or you get penalized.  It must be working, just look at the number of teams out there following the series .



dsc1600
March 04, 2018 at 09:08:32 AM
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If the tow money is still 500 a race and the point is still in the 600k range, Shaffer’s team will likely make between 80-100k by following the whole tour. 

I get this number because with 80 races (not sure if they pay tow money if the race is rained out), that’s 40k in tow money and he’ll likely finish around 5th to 8th in points which will net the team about 40 to 45k.

Given the Shaffer team was already going to run Florida and California with the tour, it makes total sense to just run the whole deal because you’ll get the tow and points money, get free pit passes which probably saves them a bunch too, and you’ll be running for the best purses in the country every weekend except for the Mansfield and Tuscarora weekends. 

 



revjimk
March 04, 2018 at 01:42:40 PM
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Posted By: alum.427 on March 04 2018 at 05:11:17 AM

The platinum guys get a good deal. The WoO makes it very simple, on a scheduled woo race night, you will race with us or you get penalized.  It must be working, just look at the number of teams out there following the series .



true....



TMATT
March 04, 2018 at 03:31:38 PM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on March 04 2018 at 09:08:32 AM

If the tow money is still 500 a race and the point is still in the 600k range, Shaffer’s team will likely make between 80-100k by following the whole tour. 

I get this number because with 80 races (not sure if they pay tow money if the race is rained out), that’s 40k in tow money and he’ll likely finish around 5th to 8th in points which will net the team about 40 to 45k.

Given the Shaffer team was already going to run Florida and California with the tour, it makes total sense to just run the whole deal because you’ll get the tow and points money, get free pit passes which probably saves them a bunch too, and you’ll be running for the best purses in the country every weekend except for the Mansfield and Tuscarora weekends. 

 



On the WoO announcement for Tim Shaffer, it said there are now 19 teams.  I am only counting 17.  Who are the other two?

Schatz

Gravel

Stewart

Sides

Sweet

Pittman

Schuchart

Allen

Kinser

Price-Miller

Little Haud

Knipp

Marks

Wilson

Johnson

Madsen

Schaffer

 



GTigers55
March 04, 2018 at 05:20:31 PM
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Posted By: TMATT on March 04 2018 at 03:31:38 PM

On the WoO announcement for Tim Shaffer, it said there are now 19 teams.  I am only counting 17.  Who are the other two?

Schatz

Gravel

Stewart

Sides

Sweet

Pittman

Schuchart

Allen

Kinser

Price-Miller

Little Haud

Knipp

Marks

Wilson

Johnson

Madsen

Schaffer

 



Dane Lorenc in the #00 is full time per their press release a while ago. And although he is not truly committed to staying on tour it seems, Joey Saldana is a platinum driver per WoO response to my tweet when he used a provisional. Rudeen Racing has the 26 car following the outlaws through Devil's Bowl on their Website so must be going to evaluate the season there and then either continue on the outlaws or drop off and pick and choose. They also liked my comment on facebook informing someone of the situation with Saldana. Seems like they're not willing to openly say that Saldana is following the tour on their social media for whatever reason.



motorhead748
March 04, 2018 at 06:25:41 PM
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Posted By: Truth teller on March 04 2018 at 12:04:24 AM

LOL. What?

Yes, teams are on the Outlaw tour because the net profit is so high. Car owners not backed by NASCAR money often leave the Outlaw tour after a few years because they make so much money that tt is a better use of time to sit home and roll around naked in all the money they earned after expenses.

Teams run the Outlaw tour for a variety of reasons, but turning a profit isn't one of them.

What was the number Pete Chesson said he spent chasing the Outlaw tour, a million dollars? And that was 15 years ago.



Have you ever switched jobs? that is if you're employable,  if so I'd bet it wasn't to make less money and fewer less attractive opportunities 



blazer00
March 05, 2018 at 12:00:25 AM
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Posted By: Truth teller on March 04 2018 at 12:04:24 AM

LOL. What?

Yes, teams are on the Outlaw tour because the net profit is so high. Car owners not backed by NASCAR money often leave the Outlaw tour after a few years because they make so much money that tt is a better use of time to sit home and roll around naked in all the money they earned after expenses.

Teams run the Outlaw tour for a variety of reasons, but turning a profit isn't one of them.

What was the number Pete Chesson said he spent chasing the Outlaw tour, a million dollars? And that was 15 years ago.



Chessen evidently had the money to spend. Maybe he should have spent it on talent instead of his sons! Proof evident that money won't always create talent.    As far as a profit amongst the sprint car ranks goes......if you have enough sponsor money, you will show a profit for the team. Although breaking even or losing money is the preferred way to do things on paper. The sponsors cover the loss with their investment.



YungWun24
March 05, 2018 at 07:56:47 AM
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Posted By: Truth teller on March 04 2018 at 12:04:24 AM

LOL. What?

Yes, teams are on the Outlaw tour because the net profit is so high. Car owners not backed by NASCAR money often leave the Outlaw tour after a few years because they make so much money that tt is a better use of time to sit home and roll around naked in all the money they earned after expenses.

Teams run the Outlaw tour for a variety of reasons, but turning a profit isn't one of them.

What was the number Pete Chesson said he spent chasing the Outlaw tour, a million dollars? And that was 15 years ago.



If you ask every team on the tour what the minimum $ amount would be to get them to run the tour, you'd get a large range.

Why not jump on the tour if you have the sponsorships to travel to , 60? + races a year. Don't fool yourself if you don't think the nice purse, and tow money do not play a part. 

 

 


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FORD97
March 05, 2018 at 09:15:06 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on March 05 2018 at 12:00:25 AM

Chessen evidently had the money to spend. Maybe he should have spent it on talent instead of his sons! Proof evident that money won't always create talent.    As far as a profit amongst the sprint car ranks goes......if you have enough sponsor money, you will show a profit for the team. Although breaking even or losing money is the preferred way to do things on paper. The sponsors cover the loss with their investment.



P.J. Chesson won the Historical Big One in 2001. I know you can argue that fluke wins happen at Eldora, considering Jason Side's King's Royal win on a night the entire field lost tires. However, that's a pretty nice jewel of a win.

He also qualified for the Indy 500. Of course, that was during the IRL/CART split, but he still put it in the field.

Something you'll find when you Google Chessen is his country music singer wife. She is, as some might say, hotter than a pepper sprout.

Did the Chesson boys lack talent? Neither one of them was Kyle Larson. I dunno? They weren't around long enough to develop it. Donny Schatz didn't become the smooth champion he is overnight. I watched him put plenty of equipment in the fence before I thought he was going anywhere.

Both of them were gassers, without question, and I don't recall any major embarassing off-the-field antics so many here give a certain California driver a lifetime pass for.

Given more time, I think they'd have done quite well. We'll never know. 


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MSPN
March 05, 2018 at 09:24:03 AM
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That whole Chesson deal top to bottom would have been a great TV Series for those that are aware of the 'whole' story, 'supposedly', lol....They were never an embarassment out there and drove hard all the time I saw them, were popular with the other drivers and fans as well, the sport could use a few more like them, especially PJ....



motorhead748
March 05, 2018 at 12:50:00 PM
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Posted By: YungWun24 on March 05 2018 at 07:56:47 AM

If you ask every team on the tour what the minimum $ amount would be to get them to run the tour, you'd get a large range.

Why not jump on the tour if you have the sponsorships to travel to , 60? + races a year. Don't fool yourself if you don't think the nice purse, and tow money do not play a part. 

 

 



I agree. The Schaffer team is already a top tier team and already spending a lot of money so it may not be a huge leap. I'd think one of the biggest hurdles would be finding help that could commit to the whole tour 

another thing to think of at least as far as the driver is the increased T shirt sales. You are in a new market nearly every night 





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