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SprintFan19
February 21, 2018 at 05:05:26 PM
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Posted By: linbob on February 21 2018 at 04:52:58 PM

If this is what it takes to get more people interested in NASCAR, why does'nt  sprint car races have 100,000 fans at races?  The trouble with ALL racing is that the fans are getting old and there are not many young people to take thier place.  There is not a auto craze with most fans.  All young people care about is how many gegs of beer will fit in back of a Tahoe.  People were nuts about cars starting right after WW2 for the next 30 years.  Now not so much.  In every race group car OWNERS are getting older.  Penske is in his 80's.  Who will take over when these guys are gone.  Will the new guys have the same passion and the the same relationship with advertisers.  There is no one around with enough money to buy these top teams out.  NASCAR has to many hours of practice, time trials and gabber before races.  You have to keep fans wanting more, not tire them out with all this other crap before races.



Sprint car races probably have 100,000 fans each week.  The difference is they are spread across the entire country and not at a singular track like NASCAR 

NASCAR is too busy scratching the big owners backs and not worried enough about competitive racing.  The big owners have no interest in reducing cost where single car teams can win.  Truex is an outlier and not the norm

NASCAR can reduce cost, shorten programs, and win fans...they’re just not willing to do what it takes....which is upset the big money mega teams



egras
February 21, 2018 at 08:37:53 PM
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Posted By: SprintFan19 on February 20 2018 at 03:03:40 PM

I’ll start watching when they 

1. Adopt a sprint car style heats and mains program, keeping only a few 500 mile races

2. Eliminate owner points

3. More tracks 1 mile or less

4. Get rid of crap playoffs that change constantly 

5. Add a temporary street course late in the year when points matter and then change location year to year



It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that your point #1 would go a long way in bringing back Nascar.  Why are they too dumb to do it? 

There should be 10-15 Saturday night, under the lights, short-track races.  Nationally televised.  Draw for starting spots in heats.  Passing points.  Invert 1st heats for second round of heats, passing points.  Mains and Feature.  Kinda like All-Star race without all the stupid inverting after each "stage".  Line em up straight up on points accumulated during heats.   Run a feature that requires 1 pit stop.  Create a tire that goes away during the feature.  

 

Boom---you have viewers.  

 

Let's go a step farther.  Schedule one (or 2) of these Saturday night shows each year at a smaller, regional track.  Rockford Speedway.  Myrtle Beach.  Madison International.  Drum up some support from regions across the country.  Throw in a dirt track race---Eldora or Knoxville?  Trucks have already proven this is possible and the racing is actually pretty good.  

 

They are going to have to thinks small and build their product back up.  Boogity Boogity



Murphy
February 21, 2018 at 10:09:46 PM
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Posted By: egras on February 21 2018 at 08:37:53 PM

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that your point #1 would go a long way in bringing back Nascar.  Why are they too dumb to do it? 

There should be 10-15 Saturday night, under the lights, short-track races.  Nationally televised.  Draw for starting spots in heats.  Passing points.  Invert 1st heats for second round of heats, passing points.  Mains and Feature.  Kinda like All-Star race without all the stupid inverting after each "stage".  Line em up straight up on points accumulated during heats.   Run a feature that requires 1 pit stop.  Create a tire that goes away during the feature.  

 

Boom---you have viewers.  

 

Let's go a step farther.  Schedule one (or 2) of these Saturday night shows each year at a smaller, regional track.  Rockford Speedway.  Myrtle Beach.  Madison International.  Drum up some support from regions across the country.  Throw in a dirt track race---Eldora or Knoxville?  Trucks have already proven this is possible and the racing is actually pretty good.  

 

They are going to have to thinks small and build their product back up.  Boogity Boogity



YeeGawds! You're trying to turn them into......sprint cars!!!



Murphy
February 21, 2018 at 10:13:26 PM
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Posted By: SprintFan19 on February 21 2018 at 05:05:26 PM

Sprint car races probably have 100,000 fans each week.  The difference is they are spread across the entire country and not at a singular track like NASCAR 

NASCAR is too busy scratching the big owners backs and not worried enough about competitive racing.  The big owners have no interest in reducing cost where single car teams can win.  Truex is an outlier and not the norm

NASCAR can reduce cost, shorten programs, and win fans...they’re just not willing to do what it takes....which is upset the big money mega teams



     The truth is that somewhere along the line, NASCAR became more about making money than about racing. Someone "took it to the next level". Sadly, that's where the WoO has been heading for years.

     Speaking of the WoO, (if that's OK to do) what's with all the hokey skeletons wearing cowboy hats stuff? Did Chuck Brennen buy some stock?



revjimk
February 21, 2018 at 10:40:29 PM
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Posted By: linbob on February 21 2018 at 04:52:58 PM

If this is what it takes to get more people interested in NASCAR, why does'nt  sprint car races have 100,000 fans at races?  The trouble with ALL racing is that the fans are getting old and there are not many young people to take thier place.  There is not a auto craze with most fans.  All young people care about is how many gegs of beer will fit in back of a Tahoe.  People were nuts about cars starting right after WW2 for the next 30 years.  Now not so much.  In every race group car OWNERS are getting older.  Penske is in his 80's.  Who will take over when these guys are gone.  Will the new guys have the same passion and the the same relationship with advertisers.  There is no one around with enough money to buy these top teams out.  NASCAR has to many hours of practice, time trials and gabber before races.  You have to keep fans wanting more, not tire them out with all this other crap before races.



Your point about aging fan base is right on, but the other thing with NASCAR is that fans can no longer identify with the race cars, cause they in no way resemble the "stock cars" that fans drive. I haven't been interested in NASCAR since the Fireball Roberts days, when Ford drivers rooted for Ford, Chevy guys for Chevy, etc. In fact Pontiac was the dominant team back then. Who drives a "Nascar"? And who would want to watch front wheel drive 4 cylinder cars anyway?



Shortie12
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February 22, 2018 at 12:14:21 AM
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Posted By: revjimk on February 21 2018 at 10:40:29 PM

Your point about aging fan base is right on, but the other thing with NASCAR is that fans can no longer identify with the race cars, cause they in no way resemble the "stock cars" that fans drive. I haven't been interested in NASCAR since the Fireball Roberts days, when Ford drivers rooted for Ford, Chevy guys for Chevy, etc. In fact Pontiac was the dominant team back then. Who drives a "Nascar"? And who would want to watch front wheel drive 4 cylinder cars anyway?



Acually Ford ,Chevy and Mopar have three muscle car that are pretty equal and all have 700H.P.+ and the fans could actually buy.Would save millions and I would guess those cars will run 180MPH +.Wouldnt that be something stock cars like the 60/70s.Camaros,Hellcats and Mustangs that actually use parts designed by their own companies.Just a thought.



blazer00
February 22, 2018 at 01:40:42 AM
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This message was edited on February 22, 2018 at 10:26:32 AM by blazer00
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on February 21 2018 at 04:14:15 PM

Probably true on that.   What he did on the back straight probably did set it up for them to be three wide going into turn 3.  Overall though, I still wouldn't blame blocking.   I would blame the bump drafting that happens with restrictor plates.  



You're right about that, also, which is something rarely brought up in the Dale Sr crash. In fact, every fan knows that at EVERY restrictor plate race there is going to be large chain reaction crash, regardless the cause. NASCAR is only fortunate that other deaths or many severe injuries have not resulted from those multi car crashes. When a person thinks about it, shame on NASCAR for continuing to promote that type of racing.



revjimk
February 22, 2018 at 02:49:27 AM
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Posted By: Shortie12 on February 22 2018 at 12:14:21 AM

Acually Ford ,Chevy and Mopar have three muscle car that are pretty equal and all have 700H.P.+ and the fans could actually buy.Would save millions and I would guess those cars will run 180MPH +.Wouldnt that be something stock cars like the 60/70s.Camaros,Hellcats and Mustangs that actually use parts designed by their own companies.Just a thought.



Right. NASCAR should give that a try!



Dryslick Willie
February 22, 2018 at 03:23:39 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on February 22 2018 at 01:40:42 AM

You're right about that, also, which is something rarely brought up in the Dale Sr crash. In fact, every fan knows that at EVERY restrictor plate race there is going to be large chain reaction crash, regardless the cause. NASCAR is only fortunate that other deaths or many severe injuries have not resulted from those multi car crashes. When a person thinks about it, shame on NASCAR for continuing to promote that type of racing.



I've never been impressed with NASCAR when it came to safety.   Before Earnhardt's death they had already lost three drivers, one in the truck series and two in Cup.   They did nothing when those drivers died, then when Earnhardt died they couldn't do enough.  I'll always wonder if Earnhardt hadn't been the fourth one if they might have lost three or four more before they decided to do something.   



Murphy
February 22, 2018 at 07:30:59 AM
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     Short of taking off the restrictor plates and having cars crash at 250 mph, what can NASCAR do fix the problem?



maddog53
February 22, 2018 at 07:42:06 AM
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Posted By: Murphy on February 22 2018 at 07:30:59 AM

     Short of taking off the restrictor plates and having cars crash at 250 mph, what can NASCAR do fix the problem?



Build 1/3, 1/2, 5/8, 3/4 mile dirt tracks inside all those wastes of space cookie cutter tracks.  Oh what am I saying, I wouldn't go anyway.  I am supporting my local dirt track.....



Murphy
February 22, 2018 at 07:53:06 AM
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Posted By: maddog53 on February 22 2018 at 07:42:06 AM

Build 1/3, 1/2, 5/8, 3/4 mile dirt tracks inside all those wastes of space cookie cutter tracks.  Oh what am I saying, I wouldn't go anyway.  I am supporting my local dirt track.....



At least they'd pick up some more parking spaces that way.



blazer00
February 22, 2018 at 10:34:13 AM
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This message was edited on February 22, 2018 at 10:35:15 AM by blazer00
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Posted By: Murphy on February 22 2018 at 07:30:59 AM

     Short of taking off the restrictor plates and having cars crash at 250 mph, what can NASCAR do fix the problem?



There are ways to slow the cars down and bring more driver imput into the way the cars drive. Maybe because of the high speed, it's time to reconfigure the 2 mile and 2.5 mile tracks into shorter ovals, or design a "wrinkle" into the long stretches to slow them down and force a different set up of the car's balance to make them racy. The big tracks are the most boring anyway.



Murphy
February 22, 2018 at 11:05:34 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on February 22 2018 at 10:34:13 AM

There are ways to slow the cars down and bring more driver imput into the way the cars drive. Maybe because of the high speed, it's time to reconfigure the 2 mile and 2.5 mile tracks into shorter ovals, or design a "wrinkle" into the long stretches to slow them down and force a different set up of the car's balance to make them racy. The big tracks are the most boring anyway.



Wrinkle? Pish! Tosh! What kind of chicanery are you thinking of?



StanM
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February 22, 2018 at 02:13:48 PM
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This discussion reminds me of the saying "it is what it is".  NASCAR is what it is.  When I watch it I know what I'm signing up for.  Instead of being upset with NASCAR I should be mad at myself for tuning in but it's not as much fun to come on here and say "am I ever an idiot for wasting my time watching something I don't like".   It's more fun to get on here and say that NASCAR sucks and get everyone to pile on with me.  Does that sound familiar?  Can anybody own it?  wink


Stan Meissner



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