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Some people hate anyone that has a dollar more than they do and in Chuck Brennan's case, that's millions of dollars more.  They just love to hate people that made the big bucks on their own.  A self-made millionaire.  As far as hating him, how could I hate someone who tried to have the greatest sprint car venue in the country and backed it up with his money, on the facility and on purses.  Guarantee you, drivers/car owners miss him.   South Dakotan's and only South Dakotan's are responsible for this collapse.  Who would continue to spend money off of other entities they have to support the money already spent/wasted in SD.  I made it down there twice and thought, wow, what a facility, what great purses, it doesn't get any better than this.  Then the voting. 


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Some people hate anyone that has a dollar more than they do and in Chuck Brennan's case, that's millions of dollars more.  They just love to hate people that made the big bucks on their own.  A self-made millionaire.  As far as hating him, how could I hate someone who tried to have the greatest sprint car venue in the country and backed it up with his money, on the facility and on purses.  Guarantee you, drivers/car owners miss him.   South Dakotan's and only South Dakotan's are responsible for this collapse.  Who would continue to spend money off of other entities they have to support the money already spent/wasted in SD.  I made it down there twice and thought, wow, what a facility, what great purses, it doesn't get any better than this.  Then the voting. 



I like my self made millionaires to not act like a small child. All Chuck ever did was throw money at stuff hoping it would stick and when he couldn't Loan shark anymore he went home. It was all by Chuck for Chuck and about Chuck and in the end that is why it all failed.




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Some people hate anyone that has a dollar more than they do and in Chuck Brennan's case, that's millions of dollars more.  They just love to hate people that made the big bucks on their own.  A self-made millionaire.  As far as hating him, how could I hate someone who tried to have the greatest sprint car venue in the country and backed it up with his money, on the facility and on purses.  Guarantee you, drivers/car owners miss him.   South Dakotan's and only South Dakotan's are responsible for this collapse.  Who would continue to spend money off of other entities they have to support the money already spent/wasted in SD.  I made it down there twice and thought, wow, what a facility, what great purses, it doesn't get any better than this.  Then the voting. 



You Brennan people sure like to throw that word "hate" around a lot! Hate has nothing to do with it. And jealousy of his wealth sure doesn't, either. I know of teams that had made the decision to NOT return to Badlands a second year, well before he pulled the plug on the place. Maybe he too was aware of that, and realized he'd gotten in over his head and discovered he didn't know how to make a race track work. As for the voters of SD, more power to them for doing what many other states have done in regulating loan percentages to below "loan shark" levels. Sorry you went to Badlands wearing rose colored glasses, but that's just what you did. And no need to feel sorry for Brennan, he was able to leave with plenty of his millions still intact.



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Some people hate anyone that has a dollar more than they do and in Chuck Brennan's case, that's millions of dollars more.  They just love to hate people that made the big bucks on their own.  A self-made millionaire.  As far as hating him, how could I hate someone who tried to have the greatest sprint car venue in the country and backed it up with his money, on the facility and on purses.  Guarantee you, drivers/car owners miss him.   South Dakotan's and only South Dakotan's are responsible for this collapse.  Who would continue to spend money off of other entities they have to support the money already spent/wasted in SD.  I made it down there twice and thought, wow, what a facility, what great purses, it doesn't get any better than this.  Then the voting. 



     You need to seperate several issues. Here's the one I take issue with: Badlands Speedway shut down because it wasn't making enough money to cover the bills. It wasn't making enough money to cover the bills because of how it was operated and promoted. That was a direct consequence of the own and his management.

     It makes no difference how many buckets of money Chuck Brennan has or how he got it. Even if he was still flying high in South Dakota, I'd suggest the speedway would have still gone down. Going into this thing, a lot of people kept saying that it made no difference whether his plans made sense. They said he had so much money he could afford to do whatever he pleased. Unfortunatley they were wrong. Chuck singlehandedly killed local racing for a while by taking out Husets Speedway and I-90 Speedway 20 miles up the road in one fell swoop. I bet you'd be unhappy as well, if somebody killed your 2 local racetracks by ineptitude. 



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     You need to seperate several issues. Here's the one I take issue with: Badlands Speedway shut down because it wasn't making enough money to cover the bills. It wasn't making enough money to cover the bills because of how it was operated and promoted. That was a direct consequence of the own and his management.

     It makes no difference how many buckets of money Chuck Brennan has or how he got it. Even if he was still flying high in South Dakota, I'd suggest the speedway would have still gone down. Going into this thing, a lot of people kept saying that it made no difference whether his plans made sense. They said he had so much money he could afford to do whatever he pleased. Unfortunatley they were wrong. Chuck singlehandedly killed local racing for a while by taking out Husets Speedway and I-90 Speedway 20 miles up the road in one fell swoop. I bet you'd be unhappy as well, if somebody killed your 2 local racetracks by ineptitude. 




so is there any hope for either tracks ?




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so is there any hope for either tracks ?



    I would think so. My opinion, and I'm just a fan and know nothing about what's going on in the whole situation>>>

     In the end, someone is going to take a beating on the money that Chuck over-invested in the track. Look at things objectively. It's really no different than what goes on with new restaurants in town all the time. Someone over does it and loses money. Then someone else comes in and makes a go of it in the same building.

   Eventually Husets will get sold when the price gets to where someone believes they can make a go of it. At the original press conference Brennan said he had investors, including a member of KISS. Those investors got involved in order to make money. They probably had a big say in shutting it down when it didn't. They also are the ones that will decide when to sell, take their lumps and move on. I'd bet money there is also some bank financing involved. Those folks want their money every month, profit or no profit.

    When a new owner or group of owners take over, they'll have their work cut out for them. To be successful they'll have to figure out what classes to run, what night to race, how to work with other tracks and sanctioning bodies, and how to market and promote the track. That's some big requirements but their are a lot of smart folks around that are passionate racing fans. I think someone will make it work.

     I-90 (Hartford Speedway) is a little different. The story in the media was that Brennan had hired the owner Lyle Howey to work at Badlands. In exchange, Lyle agreed not to run Hartford for a set number of years. My thought is that as long as Brennan keeps Howey on the payroll, they have a deal. If Brennan stops paying Howey, there's a good case to be made about breach of contract. It seems to me that would enable Howey to open Hartford back up, slowly at first to be sure.

     It will take time, but local racing will come back.



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Some people hate anyone that has a dollar more than they do and in Chuck Brennan's case, that's millions of dollars more.  They just love to hate people that made the big bucks on their own.  A self-made millionaire.  As far as hating him, how could I hate someone who tried to have the greatest sprint car venue in the country and backed it up with his money, on the facility and on purses.  Guarantee you, drivers/car owners miss him.   South Dakotan's and only South Dakotan's are responsible for this collapse.  Who would continue to spend money off of other entities they have to support the money already spent/wasted in SD.  I made it down there twice and thought, wow, what a facility, what great purses, it doesn't get any better than this.  Then the voting. 



I think you are dead wrong in thinking people hate people who have more money than they do.  Are people ripping Tod Quiring because he's a self made milionaire?  My belief is that the only reason he did all of his so called "charitable work" was to give the illusion he wasn't a thief.  I should also say that I don't see anything wrong with his business and he was doing everything legally.  But the voters of South Dakota saw it differently than what I did.  However he came in promising the world and was gone in a year.  In my opinion it's not a matter of him not being able to afford it but trying to punish South Dakota for what they voted.

I'm not from South Dakota and could care less about his business model.  Would I have ever borrowed money from him?  No, but that's a personal choice.  To me with his pawn shop, Husets, the rock and roll kids thing he was doing, he just ruined them.  When I go to a race, I could care less about where I take a leak or how good the nachos or pizza are or how comfortable the seats are I'm sitting in.  The only thing I will remember is the race.  In my opinion that is the raciest track in the country.  There was no need to throw $10 million at that race track.  It had the most important thing and that was a good race every night.  Could it have used some improvements?  Sure.  Did it need $10 million for suites and bathrooms?  I don't think so.

I hate to say it but in my opionion, just to punish South Dakota, the place will sit empty until the weeds take over the track and the rest of the facility is rundown.  I hope I'm wrong but I don't think the $10 million he wasted on that track will make him starve.



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I simply cannot believe this is still a topic.

Im from the area, and I saw all this first hand.

Everyone b*tched when the rubins had it, wanting higher pay and yadda yadda.

Everyone b*tched when Chuck got it, even though he was giving us what we complained about when the rubins owned it, but we didnt like him as a person. All with that mentality, I would highly recommend not going to a concert or Stampede game at the Sanford Center.

Now we b*tch because he closed it, because we miss our beloved racetrack.

If we didn't b*tch then, maybe we wouldn't be b*tching now. Hypocricy at its finest IMO.




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Posted By: racefanigan on November 01 2017 at 09:47:05 AM

I simply cannot believe this is still a topic.

Im from the area, and I saw all this first hand.

Everyone b*tched when the rubins had it, wanting higher pay and yadda yadda.

Everyone b*tched when Chuck got it, even though he was giving us what we complained about when the rubins owned it, but we didnt like him as a person. All with that mentality, I would highly recommend not going to a concert or Stampede game at the Sanford Center.

Now we b*tch because he closed it, because we miss our beloved racetrack.

If we didn't b*tch then, maybe we wouldn't be b*tching now. Hypocricy at its finest IMO.



AMEN!!!!


And, the ones bitching the loudest the entire time were, and are those who weren't even affected by it. SMH!!!!!


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AMEN!!!!


And, the ones bitching the loudest the entire time were, and are those who weren't even affected by it. SMH!!!!!



All race fans in the upper Midwest were affected by it.  You don't see that?  Brennan brought down the NSL, which given a few years.....and THREE tracks to schedule special weekend racing with, would have most certainly grown sprint car racing for all of us. Brennan wasn't about to work with anybody, and now he's gone. And the idiots still want to defend him! I thought some of you were smarter than that......NOT! You all wished in one hand.....and Brennan shit in your other!



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All im saying is that we as racers and fans might just be the hardest groups to please.

We all want this, but when we get this we dont like that. Thats how it is and how it always will be.

Believe me, I am and was one of the biggest naysayers as far as Brennan goes, but hey, if the man wants to come in and pay us double what we raced for the year before, then you're damn right im going to take advantage of that, and smile the entire time doing it.

Chucks gone, badlands is closed, its unfortunate, but it is what it is at this point. No point in still pointing fingers and belittling people that had "hoped". Someone did what we all wanted, so of course we all "hoped". it didnt work out, so ill pack up what I still have and move on, you should too!



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Just a little FYI- The WoO started around 1978.

What's you schedule for your next big Badlands rumor? You used to be pretty consistant but you're starting to get a little complacent about it.



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     There certainly was "racing before the Outlaws". Go back and read and you'll see that the discussion was about the World of Outlaws- the sanctioning body- the one you had asked about. Had you forgotten what you had written?

     I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I'm trying to remember what thread it was where I "called you out". It's not coming to me. To be honest, I had to go look up the exact meaning of calling someone out, as it's a phase thrown around all the time, like "so's your mother". The uraban dictionary defines it as: "to verbally hold someone accountable for their words or actions". Is that a bad thing? Doesn't that happen a lot in most people's lives?

     You keep coming on here telling us there's big news just around the corner about Badlands Speedway. And then there never is. What's up with that? You act like you have some sort of insider information. Do you? What is going on now with the speedway?




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     There certainly was "racing before the Outlaws". Go back and read and you'll see that the discussion was about the World of Outlaws- the sanctioning body- the one you had asked about. Had you forgotten what you had written?

     I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I'm trying to remember what thread it was where I "called you out". It's not coming to me. To be honest, I had to go look up the exact meaning of calling someone out, as it's a phase thrown around all the time, like "so's your mother". The uraban dictionary defines it as: "to verbally hold someone accountable for their words or actions". Is that a bad thing? Doesn't that happen a lot in most people's lives?

     You keep coming on here telling us there's big news just around the corner about Badlands Speedway. And then there never is. What's up with that? You act like you have some sort of insider information. Do you? What is going on now with the speedway?



You DO realize that he/she/it is just some moron under yet another username to shield their true identity, right?

Another joke account spewing stupidity about something they know absolutely less than zero about. SMH!!!!


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You DO realize that he/she/it is just some moron under yet another username to shield their true identity, right?

Another joke account spewing stupidity about something they know absolutely less than zero about. SMH!!!!



     Well sure, everybody knows that. But without that valueble insider information from someone so obviously close to the source, how will we find out when the big news hits about Badlands? Smile



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Well we are already in November and there is absolutely nothing in the rumor mill about this racetrack, I am scared shitless 2018 isn't gonna see any racing there either.

A little insight for the people saying Brennan single handedly killed of Sioux Falls area racing, that isn't even close to the case.

The 2015 season at Hartford saw an average of 4 or 5 305 sprints for their weekly shows and the entire facility was an incredibly run down falling apart pile of shit. Put the blame where it belongs- Lyle Howey killed off that shithole.

The 2015 season at Hushits saw about 15 cars racing in a combined 410 & 360 class, plus the same about 5 305s, and small fields of B mods, mini sprints and hobby stocks, for a ripoff ticket price of $15. Put the blame where it belongs- a quarter century of the Rubins was close to killing off that place like they did Lake County Speedway.

Not saying Brennan was perfect in this deal, obviously his fuckups have been well documented on here and most are true.

But had Brennan never entered the racing scene Sioux Falls area racing would be the same falling apart pile of shit its been for the last 15 years due to Howey and Rubin, by now it could have easily been dead anyway.

At the end of the day had a certain vote in November of 2016 gone a certain way Badlands Motor Speedway would still be humming right along and paying record purses and giving the locals good shows with record car counts. 

But not everything goes perfectly in the real world.


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Well we are already in November and there is absolutely nothing in the rumor mill about this racetrack, I am scared shitless 2018 isn't gonna see any racing there either.

A little insight for the people saying Brennan single handedly killed of Sioux Falls area racing, that isn't even close to the case.

The 2015 season at Hartford saw an average of 4 or 5 305 sprints for their weekly shows and the entire facility was an incredibly run down falling apart pile of shit. Put the blame where it belongs- Lyle Howey killed off that shithole.

The 2015 season at Hushits saw about 15 cars racing in a combined 410 & 360 class, plus the same about 5 305s, and small fields of B mods, mini sprints and hobby stocks, for a ripoff ticket price of $15. Put the blame where it belongs- a quarter century of the Rubins was close to killing off that place like they did Lake County Speedway.

Not saying Brennan was perfect in this deal, obviously his fuckups have been well documented on here and most are true.

But had Brennan never entered the racing scene Sioux Falls area racing would be the same falling apart pile of shit its been for the last 15 years due to Howey and Rubin, by now it could have easily been dead anyway.

At the end of the day had a certain vote in November of 2016 gone a certain way Badlands Motor Speedway would still be humming right along and paying record purses and giving the locals good shows with record car counts. 

But not everything goes perfectly in the real world.



By no means am I fond of Mr Brennan, how he does business, his attitude or his cant play with others/little peter syndrome....

That being said, you couldn’t be more correct about the Rubins nor Lyle Howey. Killing Lake County Speedway alone should earn those clowns a century in purgatory. That track friends was a diamond in the rough. Facility not the best, well that’s being kind, but a race track...man LCS couldn’t be beat. 10 times better than Husets and Hartford combined. Hell I’d go so far to say the best surface for raciness in all of the state in her prime!  And yes I spent many a night at all 3 in the pits in various forms as a crew member and a member of the media.  i was also at Husets to hear Steve Kinser say, after a tire eating POS track at Husets, in his prime...”Husets is a million dollar facility with a 10 cent track” as well as had Dan Motter tell me personally “ It’s kinda hard to look forward to going there anymore” in regards to the track conditions...this was before the Brennan fiasco. So I’d hafta say, the demise of Badlands/Husets isn’t all Chuckys fault...but a lot of it is. Lake County Speedway, may she rest in peace....the first track killed by Lyle Howey and the Rubins. Sorry all, the Lake County reference in the above post brought out years of bitterness. 



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Well we are already in November and there is absolutely nothing in the rumor mill about this racetrack, I am scared shitless 2018 isn't gonna see any racing there either.

A little insight for the people saying Brennan single handedly killed of Sioux Falls area racing, that isn't even close to the case.

The 2015 season at Hartford saw an average of 4 or 5 305 sprints for their weekly shows and the entire facility was an incredibly run down falling apart pile of shit. Put the blame where it belongs- Lyle Howey killed off that shithole.

The 2015 season at Hushits saw about 15 cars racing in a combined 410 & 360 class, plus the same about 5 305s, and small fields of B mods, mini sprints and hobby stocks, for a ripoff ticket price of $15. Put the blame where it belongs- a quarter century of the Rubins was close to killing off that place like they did Lake County Speedway.

Not saying Brennan was perfect in this deal, obviously his fuckups have been well documented on here and most are true.

But had Brennan never entered the racing scene Sioux Falls area racing would be the same falling apart pile of shit its been for the last 15 years due to Howey and Rubin, by now it could have easily been dead anyway.

At the end of the day had a certain vote in November of 2016 gone a certain way Badlands Motor Speedway would still be humming right along and paying record purses and giving the locals good shows with record car counts. 

But not everything goes perfectly in the real world.



      The Rubin/Howey part I agree with. I have to disagree with the part about the speedway still humming along if the vote had gone Bennan's way. Here's why:

     No one is going to keep open a business for long if it's losing money-especially if there are some investors involved. It doesn't matter if it's a speedway, a pawn shop, a gun shop, a radio station, what have you: money losing businesses close. Completely seperate of Brennan and the loan vote, these businesses closed because they weren't making enough money to cover the bills. Every businessman faced with that dilema would end up making radical changes to save the investment, or shut down the business.





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