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Tyler Beichner
February 27, 2015 at 12:30:47 PM
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World of Outlaws Season Preview:

http://thedirtnetwork.blogspot.com/2015/02/world-of-outlaws-beginning-of-new-era.html

In this season preview we break down the schedule, introduce the 14 confirmed series drivers, and post 15 BOLD Predictions for the season. Feel free to post any of YOUR own predictions as a comment to the page or a reply to this post. Thanks!




IADIRT
February 27, 2015 at 01:11:24 PM
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Odd that you picked Madsen over Paul and/or Joey for the quick time spot going off previous years results but we shall see. As for the rest of the predictions they were pretty safe bets excluding the harder predictions such as the race of the year. None the less a good read!



Charles Nungester
February 27, 2015 at 02:50:55 PM
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I predict the beginning of the end.  Except a few hot spots like Knoxville,  Maybe PA and CA.  Your not gonna get the draw for Shatz etc as you did for Kinser Swindell, Wolf, Haud, Jacobs.   I predict NST and All Stars to actually grow, while WoO shrinks both in shows and series competitors.   I imagine it takes a million a year plus just to run the series.  That kind of sponsorship is rare and short lived in most cases.




dirtlover
February 27, 2015 at 03:20:23 PM
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Posted By: Charles Nungester on February 27 2015 at 02:50:55 PM

I predict the beginning of the end.  Except a few hot spots like Knoxville,  Maybe PA and CA.  Your not gonna get the draw for Shatz etc as you did for Kinser Swindell, Wolf, Haud, Jacobs.   I predict NST and All Stars to actually grow, while WoO shrinks both in shows and series competitors.   I imagine it takes a million a year plus just to run the series.  That kind of sponsorship is rare and short lived in most cases.



Amen



egras
February 27, 2015 at 05:21:46 PM
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Posted By: Charles Nungester on February 27 2015 at 02:50:55 PM

I predict the beginning of the end.  Except a few hot spots like Knoxville,  Maybe PA and CA.  Your not gonna get the draw for Shatz etc as you did for Kinser Swindell, Wolf, Haud, Jacobs.   I predict NST and All Stars to actually grow, while WoO shrinks both in shows and series competitors.   I imagine it takes a million a year plus just to run the series.  That kind of sponsorship is rare and short lived in most cases.



Yes-all of the sudden the cost of racing is up exponentially.  Am I missing something?  It has been expensive for years and years and years.   14 full time cars if I heard right.   Why on God's green earth would this signal the beginning of the end?  Kinser and Sammy have been done for a couple of years.  Wolf for years and years.  I have hit places like Beaver Dam Wisconsin and Burlington Iowa the last couple of years.  Busting at the seams for all shows.  I see no health problems for the WOO right now.  I don't know where any of you are getting your information.  



sprintcarfanatic
February 27, 2015 at 05:47:19 PM
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Kinser probably still has Quaker State money stashed !!!!SmileSmileSmile




Charles Nungester
February 27, 2015 at 07:56:54 PM
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Posted By: egras on February 27 2015 at 05:21:46 PM

Yes-all of the sudden the cost of racing is up exponentially.  Am I missing something?  It has been expensive for years and years and years.   14 full time cars if I heard right.   Why on God's green earth would this signal the beginning of the end?  Kinser and Sammy have been done for a couple of years.  Wolf for years and years.  I have hit places like Beaver Dam Wisconsin and Burlington Iowa the last couple of years.  Busting at the seams for all shows.  I see no health problems for the WOO right now.  I don't know where any of you are getting your information.  



Im not sure you get what I mean. Yes its cost a fortune to run it for years now.

WoO has gone bankrupt already twice that I know of.   Shatz and a couple others have been out on the tour for a several years. In fact Shatz was coming in when I quit following Winged stuff,  Mainly because Winged stuff left my local area.  I used to get to about a dozen different tracks following wings each year, plus all the locals etc.  Most of the stars besides Shats, Pittman, Dollansky are regional.  I don't see a lot of Posse picking up and running WoO or All Stars or any series for that matter anymore


All I was saying that there will be fewer areas WoO will run regularly.  Right now most a lot of tracks won't even take a chance on them.  Last year was a bit different with the Farewell to the King deal.

 



hatesfenders
February 27, 2015 at 09:33:16 PM
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Posted By: Charles Nungester on February 27 2015 at 02:50:55 PM

I predict the beginning of the end.  Except a few hot spots like Knoxville,  Maybe PA and CA.  Your not gonna get the draw for Shatz etc as you did for Kinser Swindell, Wolf, Haud, Jacobs.   I predict NST and All Stars to actually grow, while WoO shrinks both in shows and series competitors.   I imagine it takes a million a year plus just to run the series.  That kind of sponsorship is rare and short lived in most cases.



i think your are right.  many small tracks across the country cant afford the sanctioning fee.  then they make the local racer pay double for a pit pass to run as a support class.  less fans are getting to where they are willing to spend triple for the ticket.  heck a lot of places are dropping 360's.  With nightly expenses going up, insurance, less sponsor funds, etc... its getting hard to justify running too many special shows if any in smaller areas.  I also think in some cases the art of promoting is lacking.  some tracks are trying to have gimick classes like cruisers, compacts, busses or whatever to get more money flowing through the back gate and in the end it costs them butts in the stands. ya thats entertaining once or twice a year but race fans are not going weekly to watch those classes and it adds a lot of time to the show.  If its dirty and last till midnight its hard to get people to come back and draw new fans.  We always try to get new people, weather its from work or whatever that don't go to dirt races to go to a race.  back to the WoO... i think its gonna hurt losing steve and sammy.  they are household names and legends of the sport love or hate them.  obviously your hotbeds for racing will continue but i also believe the areas that have less economic advantages will continue losing 410 & 360 racing, replaced by 305, because its become unaffordable to remain competative.  its fun for a while, then one day you wake up and your equipment isnt even competative and you need a motor that needs freshened every 10-15 nights and a $400 dollar tire bill every night to run up front.  once you come to terms with that its easy to see where its headed.



shernernum
February 27, 2015 at 10:10:27 PM
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Posted By: hatesfenders on February 27 2015 at 09:33:16 PM

i think your are right.  many small tracks across the country cant afford the sanctioning fee.  then they make the local racer pay double for a pit pass to run as a support class.  less fans are getting to where they are willing to spend triple for the ticket.  heck a lot of places are dropping 360's.  With nightly expenses going up, insurance, less sponsor funds, etc... its getting hard to justify running too many special shows if any in smaller areas.  I also think in some cases the art of promoting is lacking.  some tracks are trying to have gimick classes like cruisers, compacts, busses or whatever to get more money flowing through the back gate and in the end it costs them butts in the stands. ya thats entertaining once or twice a year but race fans are not going weekly to watch those classes and it adds a lot of time to the show.  If its dirty and last till midnight its hard to get people to come back and draw new fans.  We always try to get new people, weather its from work or whatever that don't go to dirt races to go to a race.  back to the WoO... i think its gonna hurt losing steve and sammy.  they are household names and legends of the sport love or hate them.  obviously your hotbeds for racing will continue but i also believe the areas that have less economic advantages will continue losing 410 & 360 racing, replaced by 305, because its become unaffordable to remain competative.  its fun for a while, then one day you wake up and your equipment isnt even competative and you need a motor that needs freshened every 10-15 nights and a $400 dollar tire bill every night to run up front.  once you come to terms with that its easy to see where its headed.



They have 92 races on the schedule.  There were apparently a few tracks that wanted more races this year who were told no, either because the dates wouldnt work or WoO decided there were too many races in a particular area.  Where exactly are they hurting this year?




fiXXXer
February 27, 2015 at 10:53:15 PM
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Here we go with more doom and gloom about The Outlaws. News flash: the WoO aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Steve and Sammy's influence on the series shouldn't ever be underestimated. They were integral parts of what made the WoO what they are today and without them, who knows how it would've gone but nonetheless, they were a HUGE part in building the sport and will most certainly be missed BUT the WoO will go on without them just fine. Did MLB fold up when Babe Ruth retired? Did the NHL say the hell with it and call it quits when Wayne Gretzky retired? Surely the NBA couldn't survive losing  Michael Jordan or wait....it's still around too as is MLB & the NHL. The fact is, no matter how great someone is, their time comes and goes and in almost all instances, others step in and take their turn. Such is life. The thing is, young people nowadays never got to see Sammy and Steve in their prime and maybe only heard stories from their fathers or grandfathers about how great they once were but in their world, Schatz, Pittman and Saldana are the top dogs and guess what, when Donny, Daryn and Joey age to the point where they retire, they'll be passing the torch to guys like David Gravel, Brad Sweet and (depending on how they progress) maybe Logan Schuchart and Cody Darrah. If not those guys, it will be someone else but the cycle will continue. Of course things won't be the same for those who grew up watching Steve and Sammy throughout the past 4 decades but there's a lot of talent in the here and now that is in its prime and although its unlikely that anyone will ever touch Kinser's career stats, Donny has come closer than many has thought possible to some of those and he's nowhere near done yet. Its been mentioned many times on here about how Kinser and Swindell are household names and that is very true but, Kasey Kahne and Tony Stewart are more famous than Kinser and Swindell ever were and they have the 2 best in the business driving for them right now and Kahne has Sweet and (depending on if he comes back to to KKR in the future) Darrah who may just be the stars of tomorrow. 



hatesfenders
February 27, 2015 at 11:09:05 PM
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understand that, but with the nsl and allstars have virtually unlimited $$$ backing them and a fresh start its gonna dig into WoO in the future.  I see these two series expanding their footprint in the next few years. im betting tony wants to take the all stars to another level and i think its safe to say big game todd isn't scared to throw money at his project either.  I guess it will make a difference depending on weather or not they are going to work with or compete against WoO going forward.... not that they are a national touring series... minus donnie the WoO doesnt have the edge imo.  its going to be pretty even across the board going foward between the 3 series as far as talent.  OR.......it could go in another direction and force WoO to bring down their sanctioning fees to a competative level.  with more competition out there it could get really interesting. Like a said the traditional areas are always going to have car counts and good racing.  But there are areas of the country that will struggle or even dry up unless they can make it more ecenomical for the tracks. I should of thought a little more before my last post....  who knows... as much as i like to bitch about the cost i still am a sucker and buy a ticket when they pass through...lol



shernernum
February 28, 2015 at 08:33:46 AM
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Posted By: hatesfenders on February 27 2015 at 11:09:05 PM

understand that, but with the nsl and allstars have virtually unlimited $$$ backing them and a fresh start its gonna dig into WoO in the future.  I see these two series expanding their footprint in the next few years. im betting tony wants to take the all stars to another level and i think its safe to say big game todd isn't scared to throw money at his project either.  I guess it will make a difference depending on weather or not they are going to work with or compete against WoO going forward.... not that they are a national touring series... minus donnie the WoO doesnt have the edge imo.  its going to be pretty even across the board going foward between the 3 series as far as talent.  OR.......it could go in another direction and force WoO to bring down their sanctioning fees to a competative level.  with more competition out there it could get really interesting. Like a said the traditional areas are always going to have car counts and good racing.  But there are areas of the country that will struggle or even dry up unless they can make it more ecenomical for the tracks. I should of thought a little more before my last post....  who knows... as much as i like to bitch about the cost i still am a sucker and buy a ticket when they pass through...lol



If Stewart or Quiring were willing to put unlimited $$$$ into racing there would still be a 20 car in USAC, a second Stewart car running a full time winged schedule (Kinser is still there, but his is not full time), and Dollansky wouldn't have gotten pulled off the WoO tour last year.  They are both willing to put a tremendous amount of money into a sport they love, but there is a big difference between that and unlimited budgets.  They are still business men.

If I were WoO, I would be a little worried about Quiring having ambitions to create a national series, but as long as they work together (something WRG has not done well in the past), I think they will co-exist fine.  NSL has not run a race yet, they are doing everything right so far, but they are still just a big regional series, not National, and their purse structure and point fund (As big as it is)  would need to be significantly increased before they could take that series national.  Let NSL get through their first year before making assumptions about where they are going.  This could be the first real competition to WoO in years, it could also become USA, NST, or that Late Model Series that folded which I can't even remember the name, or it could be what it claims to be....a super Regional Sprint Car series that really helps 410 racing in the Midwest.

I really don't think Stewart seems to be interested in taking ASCOC national.  His involvment was about saving a regional series in an area that was a hotbed of Sprint car racing (and which a track that he owned was central too).  In a sense, to turn that into a National series would be going against the principles that caused the REnegades to challenge the ASCOC in the first place and would be screwing a number of the drivers committed to that series who do not have the budget or desire to race all over the country (they wanted a relatively local series that is strong and pays decent money). 

There will always be and always have been tracks that cannot afford a WoO sanctioning fee.  Yet there are plenty that will put it up because if the weather is good, it is a money maker.  They haven't gotten car counts in non-traditional areas for years, but they still get good crowds when there are only 20 cars.  This year will be telling for that, but I really don't think that is gonna change much. 





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