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ISUcyclones11
September 20, 2016 at 08:10:23 PM
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Had the oppurtunity to see my first sprint car race this summer at the Iowa State Fairgrounds (IMCA 305's). Eventually made my way to Knoxville and got hooked for the second half of the seasons. I even went to the Knoxville Nationals championship night. Needless to say, I'll be getting a season pass for next year. For the record, the drivers I've started to root for are Kerry Madsen and Matt Moro.

This brings me to my question. I'm having some trouble researching the sanctioning bodies for each division at my home tracks.

  • Who sanctions each of the three classes raced at Knoxville? From what I can gather, 410 is sanctioned by the WOO, 360 the ASCS, and have no clue about 305. What is the difference between the cars between these sanctioning bodies (other than the engine displacements....)?
  • What are the differences between the IMCA 305 and the 305's raced at Knoxville? I heard someone talking about how they are different, so that lead me to believe IMCA doesn't sanction at Knoxville (a list of their sanctioned tracks confirms this).
  • How does the National Sprint League fit into all of this? Are they just a touring series that utilizes the World of Outlaws sanctioning rules?

Thanks for the help, in advance!

 




Gonesprintin'
September 20, 2016 at 08:51:59 PM
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Posted By: ISUcyclones11 on September 20 2016 at 08:10:23 PM

Had the oppurtunity to see my first sprint car race this summer at the Iowa State Fairgrounds (IMCA 305's). Eventually made my way to Knoxville and got hooked for the second half of the seasons. I even went to the Knoxville Nationals championship night. Needless to say, I'll be getting a season pass for next year. For the record, the drivers I've started to root for are Kerry Madsen and Matt Moro.

This brings me to my question. I'm having some trouble researching the sanctioning bodies for each division at my home tracks.

  • Who sanctions each of the three classes raced at Knoxville? From what I can gather, 410 is sanctioned by the WOO, 360 the ASCS, and have no clue about 305. What is the difference between the cars between these sanctioning bodies (other than the engine displacements....)?
  • What are the differences between the IMCA 305 and the 305's raced at Knoxville? I heard someone talking about how they are different, so that lead me to believe IMCA doesn't sanction at Knoxville (a list of their sanctioned tracks confirms this).
  • How does the National Sprint League fit into all of this? Are they just a touring series that utilizes the World of Outlaws sanctioning rules?

Thanks for the help, in advance!

 



Where to start...

 

Weekly Knoxvile races are not sanctioned. They run 410, 360 and 305 weekly for track points and a track championship.

World of Outlaws are a traveling 410 series that goes all around America. They sanction a few races each year at Knoxville including the nations. ASCS is a national 360 tour. Again they tour around America and sanction the 360 Knoxville Nationals. There is no national 305 series or really any prominent traveling 305 series I know of as it is a starter class.

NSL is the National Sprint League they are a 410 series that travels misting between Knoxville and Jackson (?) and a few other tracks.

There is also the All Stars that are a 410 traveling series owned by Tony Stewart. They are out of Ohio and stay mostly in OH, PA, MI and IN but do go out there a little bit.

There are also so many regional traveling series out there you cannot possibly name all of them. MOWA and IRA are two 410 series that are out in the Midwest that have good followings. 

Like I said there are a lot of series out there that are 410 or 360. Some series travel to tracks in their state. Some travel to tracks in a region and some travel between 2-3 tracks. 

Tracks can also run their own local sprints and have points and sometimes payout a season ending point fund.

That is no everything to know but it's a start!



Gonesprintin'
September 20, 2016 at 09:00:55 PM
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To answer your question most tracks and series don't follow world of outlaw rules exactly. Some of the biggest tracks and series will to make it easier for their drivers to cross over. One thing that almost always is going to be different tires. A lot of times you can cross between any 410 series without changing much on your car except rear tires. Tracks and series choose tires based what they think is best for their series, teams and fans. Rules are definetly not my expertise.




kossuth
September 20, 2016 at 10:13:25 PM
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Posted By: ISUcyclones11 on September 20 2016 at 08:10:23 PM

Had the oppurtunity to see my first sprint car race this summer at the Iowa State Fairgrounds (IMCA 305's). Eventually made my way to Knoxville and got hooked for the second half of the seasons. I even went to the Knoxville Nationals championship night. Needless to say, I'll be getting a season pass for next year. For the record, the drivers I've started to root for are Kerry Madsen and Matt Moro.

This brings me to my question. I'm having some trouble researching the sanctioning bodies for each division at my home tracks.

  • Who sanctions each of the three classes raced at Knoxville? From what I can gather, 410 is sanctioned by the WOO, 360 the ASCS, and have no clue about 305. What is the difference between the cars between these sanctioning bodies (other than the engine displacements....)?
  • What are the differences between the IMCA 305 and the 305's raced at Knoxville? I heard someone talking about how they are different, so that lead me to believe IMCA doesn't sanction at Knoxville (a list of their sanctioned tracks confirms this).
  • How does the National Sprint League fit into all of this? Are they just a touring series that utilizes the World of Outlaws sanctioning rules?

Thanks for the help, in advance!

 



Generally speaking.  The 410 series will mirror the rules of both the World of Outlaws and the All Stars.  Like another poster indicated there might be minor differences but by far and large the 410's you see at Knoxville are playing by the same rules that the WOO and All Stars play by.  Again, this is to make is easier for teams to join up with the sanctioning bodies when they roll into town.

Generally speaking the same goes with the 360 cars but they follow the ASCS rule package largely.  

305's are definately different though.  Most tracks in the country run what is referred to as the Racesaver or IMCA 305 rules, but there are definately other 305 divisions (Knoxville being 1) that are much more lax as far as motor rules go and allow more leway in what you can and can't do to a 305.  

That's be basic jist of it.



ISUcyclones11
September 20, 2016 at 11:26:33 PM
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Posted By: kossuth on September 20 2016 at 10:13:25 PM

Generally speaking.  The 410 series will mirror the rules of both the World of Outlaws and the All Stars.  Like another poster indicated there might be minor differences but by far and large the 410's you see at Knoxville are playing by the same rules that the WOO and All Stars play by.  Again, this is to make is easier for teams to join up with the sanctioning bodies when they roll into town.

Generally speaking the same goes with the 360 cars but they follow the ASCS rule package largely.  

305's are definately different though.  Most tracks in the country run what is referred to as the Racesaver or IMCA 305 rules, but there are definately other 305 divisions (Knoxville being 1) that are much more lax as far as motor rules go and allow more leway in what you can and can't do to a 305.  

That's be basic jist of it.



So what is the incentive to use/not use IMCA rules? I did a little Googling and the only reason I could find is that IMCA keeps it cheap so everyday people can race. Wouldn't it make sense to standardize the requirements relative to other tracks in the area (Although the State fairgrounds is the only other track I know of in central Iowa that races sprints on a weekly basis)?

And you say Knoxville allows drivers to do a little more with their cars. What specifically would that be? Would that just mean right rear tire size, more engine selection, hydraulic wing sliders, etc.?

I'm doing all this looking at the rules documents between IMCA:RS and Knoxville 305. Looks like the guys at Knoxville are able to actually bore their cylinders an extra .06 inches in diameter? This opposed to the very limited selection of what appears to be crate motors on the IMCA website.

 

I really appreciate all of the comments on this! Apologize for the novice questions but this is the first year I've really paid attention to all the technical stuff. Only paid a little attention to it when I was younger, mainly at the Iowa State Fairgrounds and Boone.



Eagle Pit Shack Guy
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September 21, 2016 at 10:02:08 AM
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The difference between the Racesaver IMCA Sprints, and the 305 class at Knoxville is difficult to explain in just a few words, but you can read the rules on both here:

http://www.knoxvilleraceway.com/Pages/Rules

http://rules.racesaver.com/rules.cfm?rk=12

The Racesaver series is built around the Racesaver head, and the engines are teched and then sealed. Several other rule differences, but basically the Racesaver rules are (as you stated) to keep the cost of the engines down.


I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.


Eagle Pit Shack Guy
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September 21, 2016 at 10:07:45 AM
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Posted By: Gonesprintin' on September 20 2016 at 08:51:59 PM

Where to start...

 

Weekly Knoxvile races are not sanctioned. They run 410, 360 and 305 weekly for track points and a track championship.

World of Outlaws are a traveling 410 series that goes all around America. They sanction a few races each year at Knoxville including the nations. ASCS is a national 360 tour. Again they tour around America and sanction the 360 Knoxville Nationals. There is no national 305 series or really any prominent traveling 305 series I know of as it is a starter class.

NSL is the National Sprint League they are a 410 series that travels misting between Knoxville and Jackson (?) and a few other tracks.

There is also the All Stars that are a 410 traveling series owned by Tony Stewart. They are out of Ohio and stay mostly in OH, PA, MI and IN but do go out there a little bit.

There are also so many regional traveling series out there you cannot possibly name all of them. MOWA and IRA are two 410 series that are out in the Midwest that have good followings. 

Like I said there are a lot of series out there that are 410 or 360. Some series travel to tracks in their state. Some travel to tracks in a region and some travel between 2-3 tracks. 

Tracks can also run their own local sprints and have points and sometimes payout a season ending point fund.

That is no everything to know but it's a start!



When you state "There is no national 305 series or really any prominent traveling 305 series I know of as it is a starter class", you could hardly be more wrong as far as a national series is concerned.

Currently the Racesaver series has over 1400 members; I would say that constitutes the largest sprint car series ANYWHERE!!!

As for a "Travelling series", no there isn't a major one yet; and I stress the word YET!!


I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
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revjimk
September 21, 2016 at 04:13:42 PM
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You all left out USAC, wingless 410s, midgets & Silver Crown (360s, bigger cars, fuel tanks & longer races)

I like both but prefer wingless, more driver skill, & competition, IMHO

PLEASE.... lets not start a pissing contest on this issue!

Check out USAC website or Indiana Open Wheel website.... lots of wingless purists there!



IADIRT
September 21, 2016 at 04:50:40 PM
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Posted By: Eagle Pit Shack Guy on September 21 2016 at 10:07:45 AM

When you state "There is no national 305 series or really any prominent traveling 305 series I know of as it is a starter class", you could hardly be more wrong as far as a national series is concerned.

Currently the Racesaver series has over 1400 members; I would say that constitutes the largest sprint car series ANYWHERE!!!

As for a "Travelling series", no there isn't a major one yet; and I stress the word YET!!



Sad day when 1400 members of a 305 class is the largest sprint car series anywhere... Hope they end up making the jump to bigger and better things.




IADIRT
September 21, 2016 at 04:52:07 PM
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Posted By: Eagle Pit Shack Guy on September 21 2016 at 10:07:45 AM

When you state "There is no national 305 series or really any prominent traveling 305 series I know of as it is a starter class", you could hardly be more wrong as far as a national series is concerned.

Currently the Racesaver series has over 1400 members; I would say that constitutes the largest sprint car series ANYWHERE!!!

As for a "Travelling series", no there isn't a major one yet; and I stress the word YET!!



A traveling series in 305s is almost hypocritical. Thats not what the division was meant for.



VoiceOfTheSpeedway
September 21, 2016 at 05:51:52 PM
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I don't think there will ever be a "National" touring series for the Racesaver 305 division, but there are several regional touring series  (ie: SSN Sprint Series of Nebraksa, SSO, Sprint Series of Oklahoma, URSS , United Rebel Sprint Series, PASS, Pennsylvania Sprint Series, VSS, Virginia Sprint Series, and SST, Sprint Series of texas......all of which allow area tracks to hold sanctioned Sprint car racing without having to race them weekly as many tracks do.......Ther may, however be a series of  Regional Championship races in various area's of the country leading to the nationals.......the recent 4th annual Racesavre IMCA Nationals held at Eagle Raceway in Nebraska had 119 entries from 16 states and Canada and provided a great weekend of racing.......and Eagle races them weekly (with an average car count of over 30 cars per night)  with as tough of competition for the weekly win as you'll find anywhere.....the key is not "it's a beginner clas", but that it's affordable enough and the rules are written so that a beginner can compete, learn, and eventually be a player in the sprint car division......where they end up after that, only their talent and budget will dictate............it's all good,  Racesaver, 360, 410, or non winged........"Is This A Great Country, Or What?????"".......SC

 



revjimk
September 21, 2016 at 08:44:51 PM
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Posted By: VoiceOfTheSpeedway on September 21 2016 at 05:51:52 PM

I don't think there will ever be a "National" touring series for the Racesaver 305 division, but there are several regional touring series  (ie: SSN Sprint Series of Nebraksa, SSO, Sprint Series of Oklahoma, URSS , United Rebel Sprint Series, PASS, Pennsylvania Sprint Series, VSS, Virginia Sprint Series, and SST, Sprint Series of texas......all of which allow area tracks to hold sanctioned Sprint car racing without having to race them weekly as many tracks do.......Ther may, however be a series of  Regional Championship races in various area's of the country leading to the nationals.......the recent 4th annual Racesavre IMCA Nationals held at Eagle Raceway in Nebraska had 119 entries from 16 states and Canada and provided a great weekend of racing.......and Eagle races them weekly (with an average car count of over 30 cars per night)  with as tough of competition for the weekly win as you'll find anywhere.....the key is not "it's a beginner clas", but that it's affordable enough and the rules are written so that a beginner can compete, learn, and eventually be a player in the sprint car division......where they end up after that, only their talent and budget will dictate............it's all good,  Racesaver, 360, 410, or non winged........"Is This A Great Country, Or What?????"".......SC

 



Right. I saw that a few Virginia boys hauled all the way out to Eagle

I was in Ohio at a convenience store & the girl at the counter saw my T-shirt & said her boyfriend ran Racesavers

KInd of a participant oriented "people's class" 

But since I don't race, I like 410s!




RHC
September 22, 2016 at 02:59:52 PM
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Posted By: IADIRT on September 21 2016 at 04:50:40 PM

Sad day when 1400 members of a 305 class is the largest sprint car series anywhere... Hope they end up making the jump to bigger and better things.



Don't be surprised to see an increase in more members in years to come.

At least half of the the drivers, especially who raced IMCA @ Husets/Badlands & Eagle this past season are former & some current 360 racers.





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