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Rogue-9
January 12, 2013 at 11:28:53 PM
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Chili Bowl needs to get rid of these open rules or they'll end up like Belleville. Funny because Belleville needs to do the exact opposite and open the rules up. I have an idea, Belleville and chili bowl should swap car specification rules.




21wforacer
January 12, 2013 at 11:43:28 PM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 12 2013 at 11:28:53 PM

Chili Bowl needs to get rid of these open rules or they'll end up like Belleville. Funny because Belleville needs to do the exact opposite and open the rules up. I have an idea, Belleville and chili bowl should swap car specification rules.



Lets take a look at the car counts from each event.......I think Chili bowl should leave the rules right where they are at. If anything before tonight I would have said more the event to PA but after tonights 21st place finish from wonder boy im good with it staying in Tulsa.
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bbqking
January 12, 2013 at 11:46:40 PM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 12 2013 at 11:28:53 PM

Chili Bowl needs to get rid of these open rules or they'll end up like Belleville. Funny because Belleville needs to do the exact opposite and open the rules up. I have an idea, Belleville and chili bowl should swap car specification rules.



Help me understand. Chili Bowl 200+ cars. Belleville 30 cars. Chili Bowl is doing it wrong? Guys don't go to Belleville because it is a motor track, and USAC isn't doing it any favors either. The Swindells own Tulsa because the outwork, out think, and out drive the field. End of story. Do your family a favor, do not go into midget promoting.

Rogue-9
January 13, 2013 at 12:11:23 AM
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The chili bowl's car counts will slowly dwindle if they don't do something, until it's too late. The Swindell's own Tulsa because the open rules are turning this into a le mans like mechanical race.



Twenty8
January 13, 2013 at 12:14:57 AM
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Clueless if you think its the rules that make the swindell's one and two the last few years. Everyone has the same rules !!!



BLUTEAM
January 13, 2013 at 12:16:51 AM
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Posted By: Twenty8 on January 13 2013 at 12:14:57 AM

Clueless if you think its the rules that make the swindell's one and two the last few years. Everyone has the same rules !!!



Not to mention Esslinger just reported they're running the stripped down model! LOL

Well done Chili Bowl. Proved once again that timing and lane choice and a hoard of hard working individuals make for one fantastic week in racing.


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Ca Sprintcar fan
January 13, 2013 at 12:18:11 AM
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This message was edited on January 13, 2013 at 12:31:34 AM by Ca Sprintcar fan

They said the same about Steve Kinser at every race, back when Karl was turning the wrenches.

Sammy's cars are always going to be the favorite at the chilibowl (even if they make everyone run chassis 4 years old or newer for saftey... Sammys chassis are over 8 years old. "hint hint" chili bowl staff)

It is like watching 3, top notch 410's show up to race against the 360's at your local track.


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Rogue-9
January 13, 2013 at 12:20:57 AM
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Regular USAC or Powri midget rules would work better at the chili bowl. It would foster competition instead of mechanical dominance by two cars. The car count might drop some,but all the decent competition would still be there. At Belleville open rules would allow for people to find innovative cheaper ways to be fast on the big track. The open rules were perfect for growing this event, but now they will ruin it. There were only two cars with a chance to win the last 3 years. That's a bad thing.



bbqking
January 13, 2013 at 12:29:03 AM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 12:11:23 AM

The chili bowl's car counts will slowly dwindle if they don't do something, until it's too late. The Swindell's own Tulsa because the open rules are turning this into a le mans like mechanical race.



When the Chili bowl attracts less than 150 cars, I will be concerned. Wake me when that happens. The open rules are why the Swindell's own Tulsa? Larry Howard, Jack Runyon, Pete Willoughby, and Keith Kunz would like to take this opportunity to laugh in your face. I will get in line behind them.

Rogue-9
January 13, 2013 at 12:39:24 AM
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Posted By: Twenty8 on January 13 2013 at 12:14:57 AM

Clueless if you think its the rules that make the swindell's one and two the last few years. Everyone has the same rules !!!



There are no rules. The Swindell's have built a car, that is only legal at the chili bowl, that no one has figured out how to beat. The cars are the only ones capable of winning. Eventually someone will figure something out and win, and then become the dominant team, and so on and so on. But each year, you will only have one team (maybe on some rare years two) that has the cars that can win. This is now a problem because the chili bowl has now become big enough to warrant spending money to build cars specifically for this race. The Swindells have become the first to build the magic car, but now that they have, the only way to beat them will be to build a better magic car. This is the beginning of a downward spiral that will cause teams to stop showing up, because its too expensive to bring a bunch of cars that have no chance of winning. Only the big, big money teams will be willing to spend the money for the r&d required to build the winning car. As the car count begins to dwindle, some of the lower fund teams that go only for the atmosphere and fun will begin to stop coming, because it just won't be the same. Then you will be left with a few superteams and the locals. Then the superteams won't have the competition and will stop coming, until the chili bowl becomes a local event like the rumble in fort wayne. It'll take a good 10-15 years, but its starting, unless something is done to even the playing field.



Rogue-9
January 13, 2013 at 12:43:18 AM
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Posted By: bbqking on January 13 2013 at 12:29:03 AM
When the Chili bowl attracts less than 150 cars, I will be concerned. Wake me when that happens. The open rules are why the Swindell's own Tulsa? Larry Howard, Jack Runyon, Pete Willoughby, and Keith Kunz would like to take this opportunity to laugh in your face. I will get in line behind them.


If the cars were under usac rules the swindell's wouldn't be dominating. That's pretty clear. Especially since its Kevin dominating.



quartermidgetdad
January 13, 2013 at 01:08:44 AM
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if the swindells just out work and out think everyone, why don't they run midgets with a sanctioning body and beat everyone. not a stewart fan but the guy has a point, "you can run his cars anywhere in the country", can't say that about everyone! if the rules were the same, small teams wouldn't race just for fun, they would have a chance



21wforacer
January 13, 2013 at 01:22:26 AM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 12:39:24 AM

There are no rules. The Swindell's have built a car, that is only legal at the chili bowl, that no one has figured out how to beat. The cars are the only ones capable of winning. Eventually someone will figure something out and win, and then become the dominant team, and so on and so on. But each year, you will only have one team (maybe on some rare years two) that has the cars that can win. This is now a problem because the chili bowl has now become big enough to warrant spending money to build cars specifically for this race. The Swindells have become the first to build the magic car, but now that they have, the only way to beat them will be to build a better magic car. This is the beginning of a downward spiral that will cause teams to stop showing up, because its too expensive to bring a bunch of cars that have no chance of winning. Only the big, big money teams will be willing to spend the money for the r&d required to build the winning car. As the car count begins to dwindle, some of the lower fund teams that go only for the atmosphere and fun will begin to stop coming, because it just won't be the same. Then you will be left with a few superteams and the locals. Then the superteams won't have the competition and will stop coming, until the chili bowl becomes a local event like the rumble in fort wayne. It'll take a good 10-15 years, but its starting, unless something is done to even the playing field.



Yep them rules work so well. Lets give em a motor chassis and tire rule. WOrks so well with world of outlaws. Leave the rules as blank and instead of crying cause someone beat you Tony should put down the burger king go in to the shop and do what guys like Junior Johnson, Smokey Yunick, AJ Foyt, Dan Gurney, Shelby, And Sammy do......Work instead of crying to the media.
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bbqking
January 13, 2013 at 01:26:21 AM
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Posted By: quartermidgetdad on January 13 2013 at 01:08:44 AM

if the swindells just out work and out think everyone, why don't they run midgets with a sanctioning body and beat everyone. not a stewart fan but the guy has a point, "you can run his cars anywhere in the country", can't say that about everyone! if the rules were the same, small teams wouldn't race just for fun, they would have a chance



Strange, Tony Stewart doesn't mind cleaning up at Ft Wayne in a midget that isn't USAC legal. I like Tony Stewart, but he should shut his face when it comes to illegal midgets and at the dinner table, he would be faster in a midget if he lost 30 lbs.

comeon38
January 13, 2013 at 01:31:25 AM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 12:43:18 AM

If the cars were under usac rules the swindell's wouldn't be dominating. That's pretty clear. Especially since its Kevin dominating.



What exactly are they doing that's making them so dominate that is outside the usac rules?

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January 13, 2013 at 02:07:08 AM
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Truth is that the Chilli Bowl is getting a little boring with the same guys at the front. Regardless of the cause, it is losing it's luster with me. Kevin is a good driver, but come on. The Swindell's have figured something out, that is for certain. It is not simple skill behind the wheel. Great for them, not so much for the program as a whole.
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Rogue-9
January 13, 2013 at 02:13:10 AM
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Posted By: comeon38 on January 13 2013 at 01:31:25 AM
What exactly are they doing that's making them so dominate that is outside the usac rules?


Building a car especially for the chili bowl with a front end that wouldn't be legal anywhere else.



Rogue-9
January 13, 2013 at 02:14:21 AM
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Posted By: bbqking on January 13 2013 at 01:26:21 AM
Strange, Tony Stewart doesn't mind cleaning up at Ft Wayne in a midget that isn't USAC legal. I like Tony Stewart, but he should shut his face when it comes to illegal midgets and at the dinner table, he would be faster in a midget if he lost 30 lbs.


Tony sucked at fort wayne this year.



Rogue-9
January 13, 2013 at 02:20:11 AM
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Posted By: 21wforacer on January 13 2013 at 01:22:26 AM
Yep them rules work so well. Lets give em a motor chassis and tire rule. WOrks so well with world of outlaws. Leave the rules as blank and instead of crying cause someone beat you Tony should put down the burger king go in to the shop and do what guys like Junior Johnson, Smokey Yunick, AJ Foyt, Dan Gurney, Shelby, And Sammy do......Work instead of crying to the media.


If u want a boring tech race then move to France and go to le mans. That's not what sprint and midget racing is about. The WoO have been around since 1978, they've done fine. No one complains about POWRI, they have rules. The drivers have been taken out of the car, and that is wrong.



linbob
January 13, 2013 at 02:28:32 AM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 12:11:23 AM

The chili bowl's car counts will slowly dwindle if they don't do something, until it's too late. The Swindell's own Tulsa because the open rules are turning this into a le mans like mechanical race.



do not be silly. Chili bowl car count is down about 6-7 cars from last year. I think 2-3 USAC car owners have retired which would mean 6-7 cars. Swindells are not millionares, so other teams could build a car just like Swindells.





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