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Hawker
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February 06, 2010 at 10:47:14 PM
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One of Kraig Kinser's tires... I wonder if it was just a victim of track prep?


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dirtracer84
February 07, 2010 at 09:34:36 AM
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I witnessed MANY hoosiers that looked like that after a race in my career. No one had any tire problems last night, and the track was more abbrasive than Thursday night.......so get over it. Goodyear is here to stay for a while.



Gambler
February 07, 2010 at 11:25:41 AM
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I don't think he asked if they were here to stay or not, he asked if it might of been track prep or some thing else that might of caused it.


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dadeha
February 07, 2010 at 01:24:59 PM
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its called tire management.



origopnwhlr
February 07, 2010 at 04:25:09 PM
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It's called "sabotage" by Hoosier! Wink


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darnall
February 07, 2010 at 09:33:48 PM
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That looks a lot more like a worn out golf cart tire than a sprint car tire.


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Sprintcar77
February 08, 2010 at 12:10:40 AM
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Whoever prepped that track had better be fired and sent back to the defunct Volusia County Speedway asphalt track. There is no excuse for that kind of track. Any idiot could have prepped a better track. I could pull the neighborhood mentally-disabled person from my neighborhood and I am certain that he could do a better job.

That being said, I am certain that the tire there was not to blame. On several occasions I have ended up with an ASCS Hoosier looking like that after 20 laps, at a different track, but it is possible nonetheless. Again, I can only blame the idiot who doesn't know what a water truck is for, and if he did, he didn't know that you don't just use it once about 10 minutes before rolling in the track. It would also help if the idiots would put some new dirt on the track during the off season, as rubber gets worked into the track over time. Even the best tires in the world cannot hold up to idiotic track preparation (or lack thereof).



speed1
February 09, 2010 at 12:14:20 PM
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Sprintcar77... if you were there, then I guess you have the right to your own opinion... but I can tell you that as someone that was there, the racing was great, with exception of the first night when it was simply too fast due to all of the rain the day before. Sunday night in particular, the 83, 9 and 11 were three wide diving in and out of traffic and there was a groove at the top and one one the bottom. If that was the result of poor track prep... I wish more tracks where the WoO races would screw up like that.

As far as tire wear goes, I didn't think there was anything unusual, some guys ran 200's and there was tread left, some burned 'em off... others made it the distance on 100's. Nice even wear (track has always been a little abrasive beacuse of the sand), and the track never rubbered up... yes it slicked off, but never took meaningful and race runing rubber. They tilled and watered several times most nights as needed (with two tillers) and the track crew was the same guys that handle Lernerville Speedway in PA has a reputation for a great surface.

And oh yeah, they put 6-12" of clay on over the offseason from top to bottom.

I just love when people pop off on here and have no clue what they're talking about.



origopnwhlr
February 09, 2010 at 01:16:57 PM
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Sprintcar77 says.... I could pull the neighborhood mentally-disabled person from my neighborhood and I am certain that he could do a better job.

 

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meatbag
February 09, 2010 at 02:12:23 PM
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volusia speedway is the biggest tire eating hole on earth. Exactly why many people wont even go there to race anymore because they couldnt afford the tire bills for speedweeks @ that race track. Hoosier, good/year, firestone, dunlop it just wouldnt matter. That place eats more rubber than an asian hooker!


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Scoop
February 09, 2010 at 08:08:35 PM
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The Florida tracks have quite a bit of sand in them. That really can't be avoided. Sand is very abrasive. Those tracks are not a fair test, as they wear hard on any tire. The best test of all of the tires will come on pure clay.


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Sprintcar77
February 10, 2010 at 12:07:54 AM
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There had to be some rubber on the track, for you don't see that kind of wear if there wasn't some rubber down. And there is no excuse for tracks that eat up tires like that. I have raced at a track had the potential to become a tire eater, and one thing that I noticed was that the track rubbered up on nights when the track crew intentionally didn't prep the track all that well (at the behest of the modified drivers I am sure), but when they took the effort to prep the track (by getting the water down deep), the track didn't rubber up. I have seen this same trend at all of the tracks I have raced at. I go out onto the track when I pull into the pits and prod the track with a screwdriver and I can determine a lot about the extent of the track preparation that goes on at a given track on a given night by that screwdriver stick. I wasn't there at the track I'll admit, but whenever there is that much tire wear, the simplest explanation is the best: somebody screwed up and that should be evident.



410sprint84
February 10, 2010 at 12:22:53 PM
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Posted By: Sprintcar77 on February 10 2010 at 12:07:54 AM

There had to be some rubber on the track, for you don't see that kind of wear if there wasn't some rubber down. And there is no excuse for tracks that eat up tires like that. I have raced at a track had the potential to become a tire eater, and one thing that I noticed was that the track rubbered up on nights when the track crew intentionally didn't prep the track all that well (at the behest of the modified drivers I am sure), but when they took the effort to prep the track (by getting the water down deep), the track didn't rubber up. I have seen this same trend at all of the tracks I have raced at. I go out onto the track when I pull into the pits and prod the track with a screwdriver and I can determine a lot about the extent of the track preparation that goes on at a given track on a given night by that screwdriver stick. I wasn't there at the track I'll admit, but whenever there is that much tire wear, the simplest explanation is the best: somebody screwed up and that should be evident.



Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about...You obviously were not there...I was there. I was there from 1pm on...on saturday and sunday. Friday night it poured for hours so dont say there was no water in the track. They prepped that track for hours on saturday...I sat there and watched them water the track also. This is a fact....goodyears tires SUCKED. Almost every tire you looked at had big chunks taken out of them or were completely bald. Goodyears tires just could not hold up either night. So before any of you go running your mouth about what had to have happened why dont u talk to someone who was there....It is just ridiculous how everyone assumes so much and they werent even there...U know what they say about assumptions...



Sprintcar77
February 10, 2010 at 01:26:21 PM
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Dude, I have run Goodyear tires on at least one corner of my car for the last year. I run a 100 compound tire on the left rear. I have never had a problem with that tire wearing out. Many of the other drivers at my track have never had any problems with them wearing out BUT FOR bad track conditions. Compared to the Hoosiers, I think that the Goodyears hold up perhaps BETTER than the Hoosiers of the same size. There is nothing wrong with those tires. I was running a Goodyear on the left rear all of last year, and this year I am planning on running the Goodyears on all 3 corners of the car that the rules allow a choice.

A little information that backs up my assertion that Goodyears do hold up and that the problem is something in the track... the track that I raced on last year (which has been shuttered this season by the government) was rubbered down (and by that I mean really rubbered down) for about 1/3 of the races run last year (and would have been more except that the native dirt started working its way to the surface, leading to the bringing in of fresh clay). Another fact, all of the champions of the sprint car classes ran on Goodyears in 2009. About 90% of the feature winners ran on Goodyears, the SAME Goodyears that you are here bitching about.

Now, about the rain. Some of the driest tracks that I have ever run on had been rained on HARD the night before. It doesn't prove anything. A track has to be ripped open to take advantage of that rain. If it wasn't ripped up, then it might have well not have ever happened. I know that I talk like I have some authority on this subject, and well, I do. I work with the soil all of the time. My family has a farm and a ranch, of which, I am in charge of the farming operation. Incidently, the person who used to prepare the track that I raced at (who died a couple of years ago, may he rest in peace, his tracks were always well prepared) was a farmer. It pays to listen to the farmers, for they do know dirt and how to work with the dirt.



Some Guy In Texas
February 10, 2010 at 01:30:32 PM
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This message was edited on February 10, 2010 at 02:17:02 PM by Some Guy In Texas

410:...and by the same logic... being there doesn't make you a tire engineer or a soil and geology expert.

It's easy to say that the track prep sucked and it's easy to say that the tires sucked... equally easy.

Earlier posts mention things along the lines of throttle control, compound choice, tire management, etc.

You're telling me that you can't go flat out on an ultra soft tire for 30 laps? Will the wonders never cease! Amazing!

Saving your tires, running a harder compound (WOW! what a concept)... that can help in some situations. Not all. I'm like a lot of you... I've seen what looks like a drag racing slick on the right rear parked in victory lane before. Few and far between, though.

If you're telling me that Kraig had the absolute hardest tire on that Goodyear makes and he was peddling the throttle the whole time to save his tires... "I wouldn't believe you." (the nice way to say what I was really thinking)



Sprintcar77
February 10, 2010 at 01:46:15 PM
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And I must say that what you saw of track preparation was merely the most superficial of what goes on. That is why I find that staring at the track doesn't do the trick. I have seen the track that on the outside I would have bet a dollar to a donut that the track was going to be dry (and by the same token I have seen the surface of a track look like we would be racing in soup), and then see the track stay nice and wet, or even rough (or in the instance of the second scenario, turn into a dust bowl in hot laps). What you were seeing is not enough to tell you whether or not the track was prepped right or not.

And, I was mentioning the tire-eating tracks of last year. The racing was great the first couple of weeks that the track was like that. The racing sucked after that because many racers were staying home.



Oppermanfan
February 10, 2010 at 02:06:36 PM
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Hey sprintcar77, I think you might be the mentally-disabled person and your neighborhood just hasn't told you yet. No two tracks are the same. And for that matter no two tires are the same. That is part of the challenge of racing. I notice that you have done alot of racing,but you didn't mention if you were successful. Maybe that is why you don't burn up tires. Just an idea.

Sprintcar77
February 10, 2010 at 02:37:56 PM
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I won on the night that it rubbered down, and I had the most tire left of anybody out there, and I was the only one that made any money on that night. The other nights that the track was rubbered up, I was in the top 5. If I am slow, then there must have been about 23 other drivers who were slower.

Secondly, at my home track I have the reputation of being really good at reading the track, although, that might be my screwdriver talking. If I am the neighborhood retard, then I must get lucky really, really often.



Sprintcar77
February 10, 2010 at 02:42:19 PM
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And btw, I am aware that there are differences in dirt. That doesn't mean that there is some dirt that is impossible to get good. No, no, no. Do you hear Tom Helfrich blaming any of his troubles on the dirt? He'd say that you need to find what works for your track, be it plowing the track up deep or merely sheepsfooting it.



Hooka60
February 10, 2010 at 03:22:35 PM
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Dude, I have run Goodyear tires on at least one corner of my car for the last year. I run a 100 compound tire on the left rear. I have never had a problem with that tire wearing out. Many of the other drivers at my track have never had any problems with them wearing out BUT FOR bad track conditions. Compared to the Hoosiers, I think that the Goodyears hold up perhaps BETTER than the Hoosiers of the same size. There is nothing wrong with those tires. I was running a Goodyear on the left rear all of last year, and this year I am planning on running the Goodyears on all 3 corners of the car that the rules allow a choice.

A little information that backs up my assertion that Goodyears do hold up and that the problem is something in the track... the track that I raced on last year (which has been shuttered this season by the government) was rubbered down (and by that I mean really rubbered down) for about 1/3 of the races run last year (and would have been more except that the native dirt started working its way to the surface, leading to the bringing in of fresh clay). Another fact, all of the champions of the sprint car classes ran on Goodyears in 2009. About 90% of the feature winners ran on Goodyears, the SAME Goodyears that you are here bitching about.

Now, about the rain. Some of the driest tracks that I have ever run on had been rained on HARD the night before. It doesn't prove anything. A track has to be ripped open to take advantage of that rain. If it wasn't ripped up, then it might have well not have ever happened. I know that I talk like I have some authority on this subject, and well, I do. I work with the soil all of the time. My family has a farm and a ranch, of which, I am in charge of the farming operation. Incidently, the person who used to prepare the track that I raced at (who died a couple of years ago, may he rest in peace, his tracks were always well prepared) was a farmer. It pays to listen to the farmers, for they do know dirt and how to work with the dirt.



" Another fact, all of the champions of the sprint car classes ran on Goodyears in 2009. About 90% of the feature winners ran on Goodyears, the SAME Goodyears that you are here bitching about"

I call your bluff and raise you all in cause you're 100% WRONG! These tires were NOT raced by anyone last year. The only time they were used was during the testing the WoO did at Williams Grove. The mold for tires previous to this year has been thrown out and new molds were made to replace ALL existing Goodyear tires. THIS IS A FACT!





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