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longtimemitchfan
October 15, 2019 at 03:06:20 PM
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Just heard on Winged Nation that Sam plans to move back to the 410 ranks next season would be a welcome ad on for the All Stars who look to lose some of their top ten next year, or as an True Outlaw hitting all the big shows.

Maybe Sam91 can help him like he did years ago.




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October 15, 2019 at 07:31:48 PM
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Posted By: longtimemitchfan on October 15 2019 at 03:06:20 PM

Just heard on Winged Nation that Sam plans to move back to the 410 ranks next season would be a welcome ad on for the All Stars who look to lose some of their top ten next year, or as an True Outlaw hitting all the big shows.

Maybe Sam91 can help him like he did years ago.



Who are the All Stars losing?



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Posted By: larsonfan on October 15 2019 at 07:31:48 PM

Who are the All Stars losing?



Possibly Dale Blaney, Brock Zearfoss and the Grove#70???? That could be three teams in this year's top ten point standings.




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Posted By: bgtexpress on October 15 2019 at 08:58:25 PM

Possibly Dale Blaney, Brock Zearfoss and the Grove#70???? That could be three teams in this year's top ten point standings.



***Totally my opinions here, so take this with a grain of salt.***

Even if Dale Blaney is out of the McGhee 11 I don't believe that team is leaving the All Stars.

I could see Zearfoss not returning if he's going to have to run his own team on the tour.  Might be hard to find the extra sponsorship dollars.

Grove #70 just depends on if someone brings money.


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W2Motorsports
October 16, 2019 at 08:21:22 AM
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I could be way off here but I had assumed Reutzel would be going Outlaws next year. I could be wrong, and likely am of course but with the season he has had I think he would be a contender in the Outlaws at this point and I know his ultimate goal is to go Outlaws racing as he has mentioned before in interviews. I can't see him sticking around with ASCOC either way as he can win anywhere in the country and he is missing out on big money opportunities by being chained to that series. Eliason is another that would surprise me if he runs another season on the ASCOC. Both driver and team are west coast based, I would think there are other options for them that would make more sense. Blaney and McGee, who knows, but Blaney probably wants to run ASCOC wherever he lands. The big question is who will be joining the ASCOC for next season. Hunter has been actively looking to field a car again on Twitter, would be great to see him reunite with Kemenah and hit the road again, then drivers like Kofoid, or Scelzi would make sense as well as they are both running cars based out of Ohio. 



El Wingador
October 16, 2019 at 09:57:18 AM
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Reutzel said himself that he wouldn't be running the WoO tour until his daughter starts school. That’s going to be a few years. However, if some big money comes along that would allow him to travel home between races to be with his family, he probably wouldn't turn it down.

 

 




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October 16, 2019 at 10:05:34 AM
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Posted By: W2Motorsports on October 16 2019 at 08:21:22 AM

I could be way off here but I had assumed Reutzel would be going Outlaws next year. I could be wrong, and likely am of course but with the season he has had I think he would be a contender in the Outlaws at this point and I know his ultimate goal is to go Outlaws racing as he has mentioned before in interviews. I can't see him sticking around with ASCOC either way as he can win anywhere in the country and he is missing out on big money opportunities by being chained to that series. Eliason is another that would surprise me if he runs another season on the ASCOC. Both driver and team are west coast based, I would think there are other options for them that would make more sense. Blaney and McGee, who knows, but Blaney probably wants to run ASCOC wherever he lands. The big question is who will be joining the ASCOC for next season. Hunter has been actively looking to field a car again on Twitter, would be great to see him reunite with Kemenah and hit the road again, then drivers like Kofoid, or Scelzi would make sense as well as they are both running cars based out of Ohio. 



Good points for sure, but as I sat here and thought, the 87 team still got to run most of the big $ races this year....even some the Outlaws didn't like the Lincoln classic race a month or so ago.



armyduke
October 16, 2019 at 12:57:49 PM
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Posted By: W2Motorsports on October 16 2019 at 08:21:22 AM

I could be way off here but I had assumed Reutzel would be going Outlaws next year. I could be wrong, and likely am of course but with the season he has had I think he would be a contender in the Outlaws at this point and I know his ultimate goal is to go Outlaws racing as he has mentioned before in interviews. I can't see him sticking around with ASCOC either way as he can win anywhere in the country and he is missing out on big money opportunities by being chained to that series. Eliason is another that would surprise me if he runs another season on the ASCOC. Both driver and team are west coast based, I would think there are other options for them that would make more sense. Blaney and McGee, who knows, but Blaney probably wants to run ASCOC wherever he lands. The big question is who will be joining the ASCOC for next season. Hunter has been actively looking to field a car again on Twitter, would be great to see him reunite with Kemenah and hit the road again, then drivers like Kofoid, or Scelzi would make sense as well as they are both running cars based out of Ohio. 



Reutzel has made more money in 410 winged racing this year than everyone except the top 5 in WoO points. With no guarentee that he would crack the top 5 in points the first couple of years on the tour, I think he is in a good spot and not missing out on anything right where he is. 



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Imo the Ascoc would be the series to race if you want choice with security. The WoO guys seldom race off tour. Why I dont know Maybe the 90 races are enough. Maybe save equipment for their commitments, maybe dont wanna race for 5 g when 10g is waiting tomorrow.  Seems like the Ascoc guys were everywhere the money was with a lot less expense for travel.

The Ascoc seem to  schedule out weekends for Eldora and Kville and others. Maybe not as prestigious but possible a better business decision.


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October 16, 2019 at 02:22:01 PM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on October 16 2019 at 02:19:49 PM

Imo the Ascoc would be the series to race if you want choice with security. The WoO guys seldom race off tour. Why I dont know Maybe the 90 races are enough. Maybe save equipment for their commitments, maybe dont wanna race for 5 g when 10g is waiting tomorrow.  Seems like the Ascoc guys were everywhere the money was with a lot less expense for travel.

The Ascoc seem to  schedule out weekends for Eldora and Kville and others. Maybe not as prestigious but possible a better business decision.



Psst: The WoO guys get penalized if they run a non-sanctioned race. That's why they generally don't do it.



longtimemitchfan
October 16, 2019 at 02:43:47 PM
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The reason I feel they might be down some is I think Reutzel might be about the best bet to return next year he said when he won at Port that he hoped to do it again next year.

I doubt if there will be two Grove cars again ,and Zearfoss is working on some local stuff. Elliason did say on Winged Nation that doing the All Stars another year might be his best bet.

With the two Series in Ohio guys like Wilson might stay closer to home the question is will Blaney have a ride and will Buch be back for another year with the 13?

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October 16, 2019 at 02:45:42 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on October 16 2019 at 02:22:01 PM

Psst: The WoO guys get penalized if they run a non-sanctioned race. That's why they generally don't do it.



Think WoO guys can run at a non-sanctioned race as long as it’s a track that WoO races at. I remember in Spring of ‘18 Pittman trucked from Indiana to Port Royal for an all-star race after multiple rainouts in the mid west. He said he just needed to get some laps in.




El Wingador
October 16, 2019 at 02:46:51 PM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on October 16 2019 at 02:19:49 PM

Imo the Ascoc would be the series to race if you want choice with security. The WoO guys seldom race off tour. Why I dont know Maybe the 90 races are enough. Maybe save equipment for their commitments, maybe dont wanna race for 5 g when 10g is waiting tomorrow.  Seems like the Ascoc guys were everywhere the money was with a lot less expense for travel.

The Ascoc seem to  schedule out weekends for Eldora and Kville and others. Maybe not as prestigious but possible a better business decision.



I agree. Alot more freedom for drivers to hit big money races. Reutzel will be back with the Allstars and chase the big money along the way ... Can't say that I blame him.



beezr2002
October 16, 2019 at 02:48:44 PM
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This message was edited on October 16, 2019 at 02:49:45 PM by beezr2002

Funny!!!! How did this thread about Sam H. going back to 410's next year turn into an allstar thread.  How about starting an allstar silly season thread you DB's. Good luck to Sam next year!



W2Motorsports
October 16, 2019 at 02:57:24 PM
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Posted By: armyduke on October 16 2019 at 12:57:49 PM

Reutzel has made more money in 410 winged racing this year than everyone except the top 5 in WoO points. With no guarentee that he would crack the top 5 in points the first couple of years on the tour, I think he is in a good spot and not missing out on anything right where he is. 



There are quite a few shows ASCOC teams miss out on in exchange for regular old $5000 to win races at obscure tracks. That is the issue I think some of the PA teams encounter too. There were several times when I considered the fact that Zearfoss was leaving Central PA, driving past a $10k or better to win show (or shows) to go to some place like IL or WI to race for $5k to win each night. Here are a few of the races that may be significant to Reutzel:

Texas Outlaw Nationals (I'm sure Reutzel would love to race with the Outlaws in his home state)

Outlaw shows at the Grove in May

Patriot Nationals @ Charlotte/Weikert Memorial @ Port Royal although this may be ASCOC next year

Jackson Nationals (pays nearly as much as the ASCOC championship, in one weekend)

Summer Nats at the Grove

I can see the draw of racing the Outlaws, but not so much the ASCOC. Aside from the one major issue I've always preferred their races and probably still do. But I don't think the free provisional to ASCOC guys is enough to make it worth it considering for the most part Reutzel is in the show unless something catastrophic happens. If you are a quality car you won't have any major issues making the majority of shows for which a provisional could be used. In addition the point fund, while obviously 50k is a lot, it's not 150k so I'm sure its a lot harder to skip big races to go run regular ASCOC shows. Especially for Reutzel who has a legitimate shot of winning them. 

Really he can run any ASCOC race he wants and not race for points, I don't see how 50k keeps them coming back but if they are happy to do it then It's good for the ASCOC (and bad for perspective ASCOC drivers).

Thanks,

Jeff. 

 




El Wingador
October 16, 2019 at 03:30:07 PM
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Posted By: beezr2002 on October 16 2019 at 02:48:44 PM

Funny!!!! How did this thread about Sam H. going back to 410's next year turn into an allstar thread.  How about starting an allstar silly season thread you DB's. Good luck to Sam next year!



Not really funny at all. Let's face it, at this point in time, Sam just isn't that interesting of a driver. What's has he done, really ?? Not being disrespectful, just stating the obvious. In a way this is a silly season thread unless backed up by proof, so until then people have picked out the parts of this thread that are interesting and are going off that.

But I know where your coming from, I’ve seen threads get highjacked before and I’ve even called people out before, like you did, I just didn’t call them douche bags. The only difference is, the time I called someone out was on a thread that had good subject matter and people were actually into it, unlike here. If it's true and Sam does go full time 410 racing I wish him luck and hope he can give us something new and refreshing to talk about here on HH, kind of like Reutzel has done this year.



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October 16, 2019 at 03:32:34 PM
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Posted By: W2Motorsports on October 16 2019 at 02:57:24 PM

There are quite a few shows ASCOC teams miss out on in exchange for regular old $5000 to win races at obscure tracks. That is the issue I think some of the PA teams encounter too. There were several times when I considered the fact that Zearfoss was leaving Central PA, driving past a $10k or better to win show (or shows) to go to some place like IL or WI to race for $5k to win each night. Here are a few of the races that may be significant to Reutzel:

Texas Outlaw Nationals (I'm sure Reutzel would love to race with the Outlaws in his home state)

Outlaw shows at the Grove in May

Patriot Nationals @ Charlotte/Weikert Memorial @ Port Royal although this may be ASCOC next year

Jackson Nationals (pays nearly as much as the ASCOC championship, in one weekend)

Summer Nats at the Grove

I can see the draw of racing the Outlaws, but not so much the ASCOC. Aside from the one major issue I've always preferred their races and probably still do. But I don't think the free provisional to ASCOC guys is enough to make it worth it considering for the most part Reutzel is in the show unless something catastrophic happens. If you are a quality car you won't have any major issues making the majority of shows for which a provisional could be used. In addition the point fund, while obviously 50k is a lot, it's not 150k so I'm sure its a lot harder to skip big races to go run regular ASCOC shows. Especially for Reutzel who has a legitimate shot of winning them. 

Really he can run any ASCOC race he wants and not race for points, I don't see how 50k keeps them coming back but if they are happy to do it then It's good for the ASCOC (and bad for perspective ASCOC drivers).

Thanks,

Jeff. 

 



There's also a quite a few nice paying shows(all-star and non-sanctioned) that you wouldn't be able to attend if you were stuck running the WOO schedule. The Tuscarora 50(52G), Dirt Classic(20G) and Mansfield(100G) come to mind and of course there are many others in the 10-20G to win range in PA and OH. Lets hope it stays that way. The day all big paying shows go the way of the outlaws is the day I lose a lot of interest.

 


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beezr2002
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Posted By: El Wingador on October 16 2019 at 03:30:07 PM

Not really funny at all. Let's face it, at this point in time, Sam just isn't that interesting of a driver. What's has he done, really ?? Not being disrespectful, just stating the obvious. In a way this is a silly season thread unless backed up by proof, so until then people have picked out the parts of this thread that are interesting and are going off that.

But I know where your coming from, I’ve seen threads get highjacked before and I’ve even called people out before, like you did, I just didn’t call them douche bags. The only difference is, the time I called someone out was on a thread that had good subject matter and people were actually into it, unlike here. If it's true and Sam does go full time 410 racing I wish him luck and hope he can give us something new and refreshing to talk about here on HH, kind of like Reutzel has done this year.



Hey, you got me all wrong.  DB= Dirte Bravados




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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on October 16 2019 at 03:32:34 PM

There's also a quite a few nice paying shows(all-star and non-sanctioned) that you wouldn't be able to attend if you were stuck running the WOO schedule. The Tuscarora 50(52G), Dirt Classic(20G) and Mansfield(100G) come to mind and of course there are many others in the 10-20G to win range in PA and OH. Lets hope it stays that way. The day all big paying shows go the way of the outlaws is the day I lose a lot of interest.

 



I don't think the Mansfield race is going to be happening. Nothing has officially been announced & this was the last year for the lease, not to say it couldn't happen at other tracks.

Even with the other two, there are several races that the Outlaws have run for 20K that the All Stars typically are not either so it cancels out the dirt classic. This past year with Nashville, I think Cedar Lake, Skagit, Lernerville, Williams Grove Summer Nationals, and a couple others along the way paid 20k or more. Not to mention you are racing for basically 10,000 to win as opposed to 5,000 each time 2,000 for 10th & 800 to start vs 1000 for 10th and 500 to start. A lot more pay on a consistent basis for the Outlaws and not everything that the Outlaws touch is evil like some feel. To me I don't care who are what is sanctioning the event. If the driving talent is there then I am fine with it. With the Outlaws in the OH PA area I know 100% the talent is there.

As for Sam. I'd like to see another good shoe traveling in the region. I view the all stars as a "development" region and it is one heck of a development region as well.



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Hey, you got me all wrong.  DB= Dirte Bravados



LOL right on man, my bad .... But that is some funny shit right there, no doubt ...!!





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