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Saw the release that Weikerts Livestock will now be the sponsor of David Gravel and CJB on the Outlaw tour this brings up tje question is Weikert going evan bigger or is he cutting back somewhere else?

Last year Weikert sponsored Deitrich 48 the point series at Port Royal and Weikert weekend at  Port great to see him folling his dads footseps,Pa. could use another good car owner right now.

Does this mean Muddy is no longer with CJB?

CJB_51 tweeted an image of the car with the Weikert logo on it.    GoMuddy.com still gets the premium spot on the wing.      It is going to take some time to get used to seeing black and orange "Weikerts Livestock Inc."     It just looks like it is the wrong color.

https://twitter.com/CJB_51/status/930941061811367936

Still looks like Muddy will be one of the primary sponsors. Pulled this off of Gravel's twitter feed. Don't know about Weikerts cutting back anywhere but Muddy still sponsoring CBJ.

Can't anyone come up with anything besides that lame sloped down to the front, angular look?  I'm happy to see such an iconic name on a front running car but I thought it deserved better than that...   but then again I don't know how much $$ is involved either. 

A lot of sponsors on that car. 

does Anyone know how much sponsorship dollars are involved in a typical high level WoO team? The economics of sprint car racing is still a mystery to me.

I know its all private information between car owner and sponsors but could someone throw a reasonable guess as to the amount of dollars for the year, the total dollars that is, that all these sponsors bring to the team.  Not talking about WoO sponsorship decals like Comp Cams, Sears, MSD, etc, I counted 16 of these WoO required decals which can bring an individual team money for a certain race.   

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Disclaimer: This is just a guess. I would imagine a full time traveling team would cost about a half million to be competitive with proper spending, It may be much more considering the cost of engines, tires and the traveling itself. A good friend of mine has sponsered a big named local driver (in his own mind) for the last 7 years or so, he has spent anywhere from 7K to 25K a year to help this team out. I'm not sure of the total figure he has spent over the years and its really none of my business but he never had the biggest decal on the car and sometimes was never mentioned in VL. I would think that a hood decal on a Woo car would cost atleast 50K considering that a single engine costs that much. I too am curious as to what it really costs to run a full time traveling team that is competitive.

My dad used to talk to a guy in the stands at Williams grove who sponsored a mid pack guy and got his name somewhere on the car. This had to have been 10 or so years ago and the guy said he gave the team 12k. 

It would be entirely possible that no actual dollars change hands. A sponsor may buy something  and then loan it to the team. This could be anything from an engine (or 2) to a truck/trailor or whatever was needed. At the end of the relationship the sponsor would have something of value to recoup some money. 

Bingo Motorhead. A lot of what you see out there are people that give teams stuff. Unless the owner is the sole sponsor, such is the case with a few teams, Most teams generally don't buy a whole lot. Like Mccarl and possibly a couple others with Searsboro Telehpone Comapny, they own some motors that they let guys use, they upkeep them, freshen them, all that, and at the end of the day they have something to sell to get some return on their investment. Lots of haulers are sponsored like that.

Not only that, some people want to be involved, but don't want to flat out give away money. A lot of time, people on the car want to feel like they are a part of the team per say, knowing that the car their logo is on won with the motor that said person owns, or got to the track in the hauler that said person owns.

Its actually kind of a neat deal. Ive approached people for sponsorship before and the first thing they say is "what can I buy that you'll need?" Sometimes that just makes people feel better, and it makes them feel more involved than if they were just a bank, and us as racers love that!

Like that team needs more sponsorship. As a #29 fan from back in the day, it's like a punch in the gut to see that on an outlaw car.

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My old company sponsored Dollansky in the Karavan #7 back in 2003 and 2004 I think?? It cost me $15,000/year for a 6x10 decal on the right side sail panel. I'd expect for the front wing to cost a minimum of 50 to 75 nowadays, but that is a guess...

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Those decals are primarily product sponsors. Many teams try to get individauls to bring product to the table. Someone may buy the team 5 to 6 chassis, another may have written the check for the 8 to 10 quick change rears, and so on and so on. We had a guy that bought us wings. Unassembled, and he wanted his decal centered on the nose and top wing. To run a top of the line deal in central pa you need a min. of 100K. and that's only if you already have all the extra's, cars, motors, etc. etc. The big 1/2 mile tracks in pa KILL motors. You want to run up front ? You better be keeping it fresh threw the season. Tires and fuel will eat up about 25 to 30K alone. The good fuel cost us 1300 a barrel back in 97. Today's outlaw teams are running on a MILLION dollar budget for the seaason. Again, this is just for keeping stuff fresh. Going threw 4 to 6 tires a night, the bill adds up fast. For 10K, up front, hoosier would throw us a bone. I imagine that price is 15 to 20K today. Where teams struggle to find money is for the motors. You may have good guy Jim that went down to Ott's shop and bought you a brand new motor for the outlaws coming to town. Everybody gets a hard nut because you think you have something and it ventilates itself in hot laps. IT HAPPENS. The guy that just spent the 50K is looking for  the sign that says IDIOT here. I know of 1 team that went thru motor problems, changed builders and tried other solutions. They spent over 500K just on trying to keep a fresh killer between the rails. They discovered the problem late in the year. The pickup in the tank was cut at a angle and was starving the motor for fuel. It would lean the motor out, get hot and lock up. Good-bye bottom end. As the old saying goes, very old saying by the way, you want to run up front ? open that wallet and turn it upside down.  

A close look reveals that all the decals on the car are sloped in that manner, which flows with the orange to black scheme. Also, at that angle the Weikert logo occupies the maximum amount of space available at that location. And it looks like horizontally it would need to be smaller than it is.

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i didn't have to look hard to see everything is angled. I'm just saying I don't care for it. And I'll admit I'm a looooong way from anything remotely close to artistic, but is there a rule that says the wording on the car can't touch the angular lines?

Of course they can run any lines they want, and I wasn't questioning your taste. My first glance at it was the same as yours. I didn't like it angled. But the more I looked at the scheme I realized all the decals were like that, so it began to make sense to me.

6 tires a night? Really? Seems like a lot for 2 tt laps 8 in a heat and 25 to 30 feature. Is this a true statement or a bit of an exaggeration?

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 big exaggeration, considering the outlaw rules state you have to run the same tire for tt and heat races.  I’d say they go through about 2-3 tires a night.  The teams ive worked for and with is usually 2 tires a night, on each rear side.