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Stroker_Race
January 20, 2015 at 11:24:56 AM
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I realize it may be a trivial point but why not show everyone the numbers on the ping pong balls before they put them in the container to do the draw every night for the dash invert?  It would only take just a few quick seconds and it would eliminate any/all conspiracy theories.  Just a thought.

To add to this discussion, I know that whenever I attend a WoO race I hope that the 15 ends up towards the back every time.  I then know I will get to see some passing as the rest of the guys seem to count on starting on the front row in order to obtain a win.  I believe Saldanna started on the front row of EVERY one of his feature wins this past year.  Pittman was similar but may have had a couple from the 2nd row whereas Schatz had a couple from 11th or worse.

My main point is that the draw for the invert of the dash is VERY important at these races.  Lets see all the ping pong balls before they go in the container each night.  Do this on the front-stretch before the draw.  Is it trivial, maybe.  Would it leave no doubt? Absolutly.

And I apologize in advance for any grammar or spelling errors.




shernernum
January 20, 2015 at 12:12:39 PM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on January 20 2015 at 11:24:56 AM

I realize it may be a trivial point but why not show everyone the numbers on the ping pong balls before they put them in the container to do the draw every night for the dash invert?  It would only take just a few quick seconds and it would eliminate any/all conspiracy theories.  Just a thought.

To add to this discussion, I know that whenever I attend a WoO race I hope that the 15 ends up towards the back every time.  I then know I will get to see some passing as the rest of the guys seem to count on starting on the front row in order to obtain a win.  I believe Saldanna started on the front row of EVERY one of his feature wins this past year.  Pittman was similar but may have had a couple from the 2nd row whereas Schatz had a couple from 11th or worse.

My main point is that the draw for the invert of the dash is VERY important at these races.  Lets see all the ping pong balls before they go in the container each night.  Do this on the front-stretch before the draw.  Is it trivial, maybe.  Would it leave no doubt? Absolutly.

And I apologize in advance for any grammar or spelling errors.



I haven't really heard many draw conspiracies the last few years....is there a reason why this is a big issue for you right now.  I went to 9 WoO races this year and don't remember a feeling that someone got preferential treatment.

At the same time, I don't think it would be a bad idea to do the dash draw over the microphone, maybe when interviewing the quick timer for the night.



dsc1600
January 20, 2015 at 12:23:18 PM
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Per the Outlaw website, this was the draw results from last year:

Dash Draw Selection (83 Dashes)

Number - Times Picked

0 - 13

4 - 21

6 - 34

8 - 15

I would guess there are more 6 pills in the hat than 0 or 8's which would explain why so many more 6 pulls than the rest.




egras
January 20, 2015 at 12:48:19 PM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on January 20 2015 at 12:23:18 PM

Per the Outlaw website, this was the draw results from last year:

Dash Draw Selection (83 Dashes)

Number - Times Picked

0 - 13

4 - 21

6 - 34

8 - 15

I would guess there are more 6 pills in the hat than 0 or 8's which would explain why so many more 6 pulls than the rest.




Could also not be a big enough sample size to even them out.  Take this count over 10 years and it would even out if the number of each were the same.

 

The conspiracy and fix theories are just silly.  The Black Sox of 1919 couldn't pull off the fix 100 years ago.  Does anyone really think the fix could be pulled off in this day and age of social media? 

(and when I say fix, I mean organizations and groups of more than 1 or 2 people.  Of course I realize there have been fixes--but those are isolated events where 1 person was influenced to perform badly--not an entire group of people/athletes/ect.  Those days are over.  Can't be pulled off anymore)



bigsix98
January 20, 2015 at 03:19:43 PM
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This message was edited on January 20, 2015 at 03:20:45 PM by bigsix98

We agree with egras, Now days it is much easier to just change the rules. 

 

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buzz rightrear
January 20, 2015 at 05:24:47 PM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on January 20 2015 at 11:24:56 AM

I realize it may be a trivial point but why not show everyone the numbers on the ping pong balls before they put them in the container to do the draw every night for the dash invert?  It would only take just a few quick seconds and it would eliminate any/all conspiracy theories.  Just a thought.

To add to this discussion, I know that whenever I attend a WoO race I hope that the 15 ends up towards the back every time.  I then know I will get to see some passing as the rest of the guys seem to count on starting on the front row in order to obtain a win.  I believe Saldanna started on the front row of EVERY one of his feature wins this past year.  Pittman was similar but may have had a couple from the 2nd row whereas Schatz had a couple from 11th or worse.

My main point is that the draw for the invert of the dash is VERY important at these races.  Lets see all the ping pong balls before they go in the container each night.  Do this on the front-stretch before the draw.  Is it trivial, maybe.  Would it leave no doubt? Absolutly.

And I apologize in advance for any grammar or spelling errors.



all a driver has to do is ask to see the pills.  if there is any back talk, then the driver says they aren't pulling a pill until they see them. they don't have to be allowed to touch them, they just have to have them shown what they are picking from.

i have told drivers in the past to ask to see the pills. there is nothing wrong with letting people know you are keeping it all real.

one reason that having multiple drivers draw for positions instead of just having one driver pull one pill from a bag or hat is all the positions have to be in the draw.


to indy and beyond!!


Speedkills
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January 20, 2015 at 05:44:39 PM
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If this is the biggest issue of the series right now, I would say things look pretty good. Jeeeesh

You see the draw for the invert, what about the qualifying order draw at the back gate? What if thats rigged too?


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Johnny Gibson
January 20, 2015 at 08:34:39 PM
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There are more 4's and 6's than 0's and 8's in the container. 



buzz rightrear
January 20, 2015 at 09:25:44 PM
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Posted By: Johnny Gibson on January 20 2015 at 08:34:39 PM

There are more 4's and 6's than 0's and 8's in the container. 



yep, that's what i have been told. but i didn't want to be the one to say it and start something on here that i couldn't prove.

i was also told that there are more sixes in the container than any other number but i don't know if that is true.

nice of you to point that out JG.


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Stroker_Race
January 20, 2015 at 10:56:47 PM
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Posted By: Johnny Gibson on January 20 2015 at 08:34:39 PM

There are more 4's and 6's than 0's and 8's in the container. 



Thanks for the response.  I wasn't trying to irritate anyone.  I just thought if you could eliminate all doubt, why wouldn't you.  Simple process that would take 10 seconds or less.



KOP
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January 21, 2015 at 06:58:55 AM
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Anyone who thinks there is a conspiracy theory over something as innocent as ping pong balls has issues.



puckfly
January 21, 2015 at 08:59:08 AM
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Posted By: KOP on January 21 2015 at 06:58:55 AM

Anyone who thinks there is a conspiracy theory over something as innocent as ping pong balls has issues.



haha.  Tell that to the people of Pennsylvania regarding the lottery in 1980.




StanM
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January 21, 2015 at 05:57:50 PM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on January 20 2015 at 11:24:56 AM

I realize it may be a trivial point but why not show everyone the numbers on the ping pong balls before they put them in the container to do the draw every night for the dash invert?  It would only take just a few quick seconds and it would eliminate any/all conspiracy theories.  Just a thought.

To add to this discussion, I know that whenever I attend a WoO race I hope that the 15 ends up towards the back every time.  I then know I will get to see some passing as the rest of the guys seem to count on starting on the front row in order to obtain a win.  I believe Saldanna started on the front row of EVERY one of his feature wins this past year.  Pittman was similar but may have had a couple from the 2nd row whereas Schatz had a couple from 11th or worse.

My main point is that the draw for the invert of the dash is VERY important at these races.  Lets see all the ping pong balls before they go in the container each night.  Do this on the front-stretch before the draw.  Is it trivial, maybe.  Would it leave no doubt? Absolutly.

And I apologize in advance for any grammar or spelling errors.



Anybody worried about how they run the draw isn't getting up and going to the beer stand enough during breaks in the action.  wink


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vande77
January 22, 2015 at 12:29:55 PM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on January 20 2015 at 11:24:56 AM

I realize it may be a trivial point but why not show everyone the numbers on the ping pong balls before they put them in the container to do the draw every night for the dash invert?  It would only take just a few quick seconds and it would eliminate any/all conspiracy theories.  Just a thought.

To add to this discussion, I know that whenever I attend a WoO race I hope that the 15 ends up towards the back every time.  I then know I will get to see some passing as the rest of the guys seem to count on starting on the front row in order to obtain a win.  I believe Saldanna started on the front row of EVERY one of his feature wins this past year.  Pittman was similar but may have had a couple from the 2nd row whereas Schatz had a couple from 11th or worse.

My main point is that the draw for the invert of the dash is VERY important at these races.  Lets see all the ping pong balls before they go in the container each night.  Do this on the front-stretch before the draw.  Is it trivial, maybe.  Would it leave no doubt? Absolutly.

And I apologize in advance for any grammar or spelling errors.




As a fan in the stands, I could care less about them showing me the ping pong balls or even doing the draw in front of me.  Tell us the line-ups and go racing.

IMO the dash is a waste....you take some of the passing that COULD happen during the feature and move it to a 5 lap event....



racin buddy
January 22, 2015 at 09:29:28 PM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on January 20 2015 at 11:24:56 AM

I realize it may be a trivial point but why not show everyone the numbers on the ping pong balls before they put them in the container to do the draw every night for the dash invert?  It would only take just a few quick seconds and it would eliminate any/all conspiracy theories.  Just a thought.

To add to this discussion, I know that whenever I attend a WoO race I hope that the 15 ends up towards the back every time.  I then know I will get to see some passing as the rest of the guys seem to count on starting on the front row in order to obtain a win.  I believe Saldanna started on the front row of EVERY one of his feature wins this past year.  Pittman was similar but may have had a couple from the 2nd row whereas Schatz had a couple from 11th or worse.

My main point is that the draw for the invert of the dash is VERY important at these races.  Lets see all the ping pong balls before they go in the container each night.  Do this on the front-stretch before the draw.  Is it trivial, maybe.  Would it leave no doubt? Absolutly.

And I apologize in advance for any grammar or spelling errors.



Maybe we should be checking the air pressure in the ping pong balls?

Maybe on of them has less air in it so it is lighter and stays on top!




winning drive
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January 22, 2015 at 10:26:05 PM
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WoO has more important issues like finding a new lead sponsor , costs , better marketing for there sponsors  and more passing not just slide jobs . But then thats WoO racing  but I will  say it has improved , but I do respect all of the drivers ,not the way they run there shows ., but fans like it and thats all that matters .



oswald
January 23, 2015 at 01:14:12 AM
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If the drivers are not stating any concern that the draw is not on the up & up I see no reason for fans to worry about if it somehow rigged.



StaggerLee
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January 23, 2015 at 05:57:14 PM
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Posted By: winning drive on January 22 2015 at 10:26:05 PM

WoO has more important issues like finding a new lead sponsor , costs , better marketing for there sponsors  and more passing not just slide jobs . But then thats WoO racing  but I will  say it has improved , but I do respect all of the drivers ,not the way they run there shows ., but fans like it and thats all that matters .




Ding Ding Ding This is the 9000th post you have made saying the same thing about the WOO, A Big Congrats to winning       drive     On his 9000th  "Woo racing blows but the fans like it so thats all that matters" post !!!  This is gonna open some big doors for you buddy, great job. Take this accolade and your obvious vast knowledge of all things FAN and start a consulting company so the Woo, NSL, The All Renegade Stars, and tracks and Promoters everywhere can have a place to call to get advise on how to create more passing and remove those boring slide jobs, or how to do better marketing for sponsors, or most importantly teaching these organizations about the proper give aways for fans and how and when to play the right music to make the show better. Dont forget me when your at the top, sure gonna miss you.





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