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ColtanW
December 16, 2014 at 06:57:12 PM
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According to SprintCarMania, Clauson has left the number 20 USAC ride.

http://sprintcarmania.com/breaking-clauson-departs-tsr/


Ask Frank


needdirt24/7
December 16, 2014 at 08:55:39 PM
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He didnt leave. Tsr shut down the usac operation down per ibracn



longdong
December 16, 2014 at 09:01:18 PM
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One of the most versatile drivers in the game. I don't think he'll have trouble finding work this coming season. Hopefully we'll get to see him in more winged action.




Stroker_Race
December 16, 2014 at 09:12:56 PM
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Posted By: needdirt24/7 on December 16 2014 at 08:55:39 PM

He didnt leave. Tsr shut down the usac operation down per ibracn



And once again Ibracn is going off assumptions like he clearly states on his own page.  Why or how would he have aNY idea why this happened.  Assuming things only lead to reputations being hurt .  



OKRACERS
December 16, 2014 at 10:15:59 PM
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ibnracing has been wrong before



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December 16, 2014 at 10:50:59 PM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on December 16 2014 at 09:12:56 PM

And once again Ibracn is going off assumptions like he clearly states on his own page.  Why or how would he have aNY idea why this happened.  Assuming things only lead to reputations being hurt .  



From what I've seen Brad at IBRACN talks to alot of people and has in's on certain things, sometimes their wrong sometimes their right, seems to me like his track record is pretty good. No reporter has to devuldge their source, even in what you may consider a truly credible news organization. I believe Brad does more than he even has to by saying "RUMOR" or "FACT" before the sentence. He's simply putting out there for us what he's hearing, which is more than he has to. If you don't like how he runs his page then start your own sprint car news site and put up in your facts your sources and why its fact, though I doubt you would for the same reason anyone trying to get answers wouldn't, alot of times people will tell you things but they don't want their name attached to it and if you do say their name you've just burnt that bridge for ever getting info again. Just because someone doesn't name their source doesn't mean it isn't true, call an reporting organization and ask if they have to name sources for news stories. You guys criticize Brad for what he puts up yet you come on here all the time and post and argue, this site is 90% rumors and untruths and people guessing or shooting their mouth off about someone they don't like or simply putting something untrue to hurt them for a personal gain. From what I can see he's not trying to be the New York Times of Sprint Car racing, he's simply trying to put out there the info he gets on his site, sure sometimes he may get it wrong, but I'm certain no news organization has ever been right 100% of the time.


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ractnirps
December 16, 2014 at 11:19:15 PM
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Posted By: Speedkills on December 16 2014 at 10:50:59 PM

From what I've seen Brad at IBRACN talks to alot of people and has in's on certain things, sometimes their wrong sometimes their right, seems to me like his track record is pretty good. No reporter has to devuldge their source, even in what you may consider a truly credible news organization. I believe Brad does more than he even has to by saying "RUMOR" or "FACT" before the sentence. He's simply putting out there for us what he's hearing, which is more than he has to. If you don't like how he runs his page then start your own sprint car news site and put up in your facts your sources and why its fact, though I doubt you would for the same reason anyone trying to get answers wouldn't, alot of times people will tell you things but they don't want their name attached to it and if you do say their name you've just burnt that bridge for ever getting info again. Just because someone doesn't name their source doesn't mean it isn't true, call an reporting organization and ask if they have to name sources for news stories. You guys criticize Brad for what he puts up yet you come on here all the time and post and argue, this site is 90% rumors and untruths and people guessing or shooting their mouth off about someone they don't like or simply putting something untrue to hurt them for a personal gain. From what I can see he's not trying to be the New York Times of Sprint Car racing, he's simply trying to put out there the info he gets on his site, sure sometimes he may get it wrong, but I'm certain no news organization has ever been right 100% of the time.



Find it funny that they are all the sudden out of money for a sprint car team that should basically funds itself at this point.

How many times does Clauson ball the car up? How many time does he not finish up front?

I'm sure TSR doesn't pay top dollar for the stuff they run. Companies would do anything to have TSR run their products.

They probably have enough extra stuff sitting around that shop that they could sell to fund this team for a couple years.

Truth is, Stewart only wants the best drivers out there.. and when the best driver out there decides to leave, we apparently see what happens.



Dryslick Willie
December 17, 2014 at 06:05:42 AM
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Posted By: Speedkills on December 16 2014 at 10:50:59 PM

From what I've seen Brad at IBRACN talks to alot of people and has in's on certain things, sometimes their wrong sometimes their right, seems to me like his track record is pretty good. No reporter has to devuldge their source, even in what you may consider a truly credible news organization. I believe Brad does more than he even has to by saying "RUMOR" or "FACT" before the sentence. He's simply putting out there for us what he's hearing, which is more than he has to. If you don't like how he runs his page then start your own sprint car news site and put up in your facts your sources and why its fact, though I doubt you would for the same reason anyone trying to get answers wouldn't, alot of times people will tell you things but they don't want their name attached to it and if you do say their name you've just burnt that bridge for ever getting info again. Just because someone doesn't name their source doesn't mean it isn't true, call an reporting organization and ask if they have to name sources for news stories. You guys criticize Brad for what he puts up yet you come on here all the time and post and argue, this site is 90% rumors and untruths and people guessing or shooting their mouth off about someone they don't like or simply putting something untrue to hurt them for a personal gain. From what I can see he's not trying to be the New York Times of Sprint Car racing, he's simply trying to put out there the info he gets on his site, sure sometimes he may get it wrong, but I'm certain no news organization has ever been right 100% of the time.



+1  IBRACN rocks.   Keep up the good work Brad, and don't let a few numbskulls discourage you.



Dryslick Willie
December 17, 2014 at 06:06:35 AM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on December 16 2014 at 09:12:56 PM

And once again Ibracn is going off assumptions like he clearly states on his own page.  Why or how would he have aNY idea why this happened.  Assuming things only lead to reputations being hurt .  



Get a grip...  Noone's reputation would be hurt over this either way.




JonR
December 17, 2014 at 08:09:50 AM
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Posted By: ractnirps on December 16 2014 at 11:19:15 PM

Find it funny that they are all the sudden out of money for a sprint car team that should basically funds itself at this point.

How many times does Clauson ball the car up? How many time does he not finish up front?

I'm sure TSR doesn't pay top dollar for the stuff they run. Companies would do anything to have TSR run their products.

They probably have enough extra stuff sitting around that shop that they could sell to fund this team for a couple years.

Truth is, Stewart only wants the best drivers out there.. and when the best driver out there decides to leave, we apparently see what happens.



Really?????    The team basically funds itself at this point.   Really???  

I can't believe that anyone on HoseHeads would acutally think that this is the true.



vande77
December 17, 2014 at 08:15:13 AM
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Posted By: ractnirps on December 16 2014 at 11:19:15 PM

Find it funny that they are all the sudden out of money for a sprint car team that should basically funds itself at this point.

How many times does Clauson ball the car up? How many time does he not finish up front?

I'm sure TSR doesn't pay top dollar for the stuff they run. Companies would do anything to have TSR run their products.

They probably have enough extra stuff sitting around that shop that they could sell to fund this team for a couple years.

Truth is, Stewart only wants the best drivers out there.. and when the best driver out there decides to leave, we apparently see what happens.



So, do you work for TSR and have access to their financials???  Unless your name is Jimmy Carr, I highly doubt it.

I have no doubt that it is very possible the USAC team was losing $$$  (most race team owners lose $$$ from what I've seen).  Brian Brown stated in the last issue of Flat Out that it would cost $1-1.5 MILLION to run one season with the WoO from a budgetary standpoint.  Prize $$$ doesn't even come close to adding up to that much and I highly doubt most team owners are gonna get a sponsor to give them $1,000,000 or more for 1 season of sprint car racing.  I'd guess that the WoO teams are breaking even at best (and that's with Schatz winning 26 times, no DNF's, and selling off old equipment at the end of the year to other teams).

If racing was a $$$ making operation, no car owner would ever get out.

 



spot1
December 17, 2014 at 08:31:51 AM
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Could it be possible that Tony Stewart doesn't have as much "play" money now after everything that has taken place within the last year?




ractnirps
December 17, 2014 at 08:48:10 AM
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Posted By: vande77 on December 17 2014 at 08:15:13 AM

So, do you work for TSR and have access to their financials???  Unless your name is Jimmy Carr, I highly doubt it.

I have no doubt that it is very possible the USAC team was losing $$$  (most race team owners lose $$$ from what I've seen).  Brian Brown stated in the last issue of Flat Out that it would cost $1-1.5 MILLION to run one season with the WoO from a budgetary standpoint.  Prize $$$ doesn't even come close to adding up to that much and I highly doubt most team owners are gonna get a sponsor to give them $1,000,000 or more for 1 season of sprint car racing.  I'd guess that the WoO teams are breaking even at best (and that's with Schatz winning 26 times, no DNF's, and selling off old equipment at the end of the year to other teams).

If racing was a $$$ making operation, no car owner would ever get out.

 



The point is, this team already has everything it needs and is not dumping tons of money into new equipment.

They also have the best sponsors in the country and definately get the best perks from manufacturers just so they run their stuff.

Could it be that nobody has the desire to run USAC at TSR if they don't have Clauson behind the wheel? 

Could it be that money has nothing to do with it like everybody is speculating?



JonR
December 17, 2014 at 09:05:46 AM
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Posted By: ractnirps on December 17 2014 at 08:48:10 AM

The point is, this team already has everything it needs and is not dumping tons of money into new equipment.

They also have the best sponsors in the country and definately get the best perks from manufacturers just so they run their stuff.

Could it be that nobody has the desire to run USAC at TSR if they don't have Clauson behind the wheel? 

Could it be that money has nothing to do with it like everybody is speculating?



Once again, when did you get to look at the financials of TSR?   How can you say that have the best sponsors in the country?   Do you know how much they are getting from the sponsors?

There has been a lot of debate/speculation about the personal services contract that Tony and Kasey get with the major sponsors.   Did Chevy actually have a budget item called "USAC sponsorship"  or did they have a budget item called Tony Stewart Personal service contract and he used that money to sponsor his USAC team.   The same could be said when Kasey had Red Bull on his sprint cars.

Sometimes the truth is too simple to understand and we have to create a great conspiracy theory.   Saying that the funding was not there, or that Tony is saving his money to deal with a civil suit is boring.   Saying that TSR pulled out of USAC because USAC is all messed up is much more fun.



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I don't know anything about IBracn's credibility, but if its true, major bummer.....




revjimk
December 17, 2014 at 09:10:43 AM
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Posted By: spot1 on December 17 2014 at 08:31:51 AM

Could it be possible that Tony Stewart doesn't have as much "play" money now after everything that has taken place within the last year?




That could be true...



GT730
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on December 16 2014 at 09:12:56 PM

And once again Ibracn is going off assumptions like he clearly states on his own page.  Why or how would he have aNY idea why this happened.  Assuming things only lead to reputations being hurt .  



The website owner clearly states when there is a FACT or a RUMOR. Back off, if you don't like his page, don't visit. Based on the MANY other news websites, I'd venture to say the only assumption was by you assuming he's not credible. If he posts something that turns out to be false, he admits it and takes responsibility, not throw it under the rug and pretend like it was never there. 

 



csracing72c
December 17, 2014 at 10:00:18 AM
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His website is awesome if you are looking for rumors/facts during the off season. 




ractnirps
December 17, 2014 at 10:07:33 AM
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Posted By: GT730 on December 17 2014 at 09:27:05 AM

The website owner clearly states when there is a FACT or a RUMOR. Back off, if you don't like his page, don't visit. Based on the MANY other news websites, I'd venture to say the only assumption was by you assuming he's not credible. If he posts something that turns out to be false, he admits it and takes responsibility, not throw it under the rug and pretend like it was never there. 

 



Here is the assumption that I think some people had a problem with on Ibracn. Which I think is a total crock. This is trash jourmnalism at it's best.

IBracn: "I'm assuming that with the events that took place in 2014, the play money is limited right now and that is the reason for the shut down right now."

Why even say such a thing after getting another story from his "source"? This was 100% speculation and does nothing more than start unfounded rumors.

Saying what a "source" says is one thing ... but pulling stuff out of thin air is another. That's what message boards are for, lol.

As far as team funding, it sounds like some people on here do know the teams financials. You are crazy if you think he paid a dime for the powerplant that is under the hood. If this sprint car team was running in the red that bad, he would have pulled the plug a long time ago, like he did the midgets.

 



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Posted By: ractnirps on December 17 2014 at 10:07:33 AM

Here is the assumption that I think some people had a problem with on Ibracn. Which I think is a total crock. This is trash jourmnalism at it's best.

IBracn: "I'm assuming that with the events that took place in 2014, the play money is limited right now and that is the reason for the shut down right now."

Why even say such a thing after getting another story from his "source"? This was 100% speculation and does nothing more than start unfounded rumors.

Saying what a "source" says is one thing ... but pulling stuff out of thin air is another. That's what message boards are for, lol.

As far as team funding, it sounds like some people on here do know the teams financials. You are crazy if you think he paid a dime for the powerplant that is under the hood. If this sprint car team was running in the red that bad, he would have pulled the plug a long time ago, like he did the midgets.

 



ractnirps...you are correct...that was wrong of me to speculate and post a personal opinion on what my source told me.  That is pure speculation on my part and I shouldn't have included that into the piece I did.  As far as the rest of what was included in the story, I stand by it and trust my source on this story.  In time, the truth will come out.


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