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Speedway Engines, but those arent really available to just anyone. Based on what is available, i'd throw out there Ott, Capetta and Rider based on their use in PA and Kistler also has their share of front runners. 

I heard the Fisher Racing Engines in Ohio were getting around 980 HP this year from the dyno readout!!

All dynos do not read the same.  A dyno can be set to show higher readings.  Dyno rooms are often operated with ideal temp. and humidity that you would seldom see at a race track.  You can run a dyno run with engine set to lean to give you a high number for just a few seconds, but at the track you would burn the engine down in a race.  You do not win races with dyno sheets.  I think this would be great but it will never  happen.  Take the same motor to 3 different dynos and compare numbers with out anyone knowing it had been to other dynos.  I heard of a stock car motor that was dynoed at 2 diff, places and it had 40 hp less at the second dyno.  If I am wrong I am sure some of you will tell me so.

I make my living in the performance aftermarket. The company I represent provides products and services to nearly every shop name mentioned here in this thread (plus many, many more).

After many years, it still never ceases to amaze me at the people who 'buy' HP numbers. Folks....let me tell you all something (many of you already know this) most anybody with any knowledge of how to operate a dyno can "make your day" or "hurt your feelings" very quickly on any given motor; just in how they "knob" the dyno.

Nobody talks about "area under the torque curve" anymore in general conversation.....that is how much "USABLE" torque does the engine put out, and WHERE (relative to the RPM spectrum)....and let me tell you this. (This would be good to know AND to remember, so get a pen)......and I quote:

"There is often times a HUGE difference in a motor that dyno's well, and a motor that races well."

Those of y'all eager to buy a motor based on it's HP number might wanna simmer on that for a while. What Schatz can do with a given engine package based on throttle control, and gear selection, you (or your driver) may never be able to do. Sammy and Kevin can take an 'off the shelf' Esslinger and spank you with their talent and driving ability, even if you bring 50 more HP to the table..... Horsepower is no good if it's not 'usable'. Additionally, if the motor makes it's magic HP number at 8800 RPM and you spend 97% of your lap time below that number, chances are, you need a different engine package. I'd also suggest you all spend some time reviewing your laps, and determine where the motor 'lives' based on how much track is covered within a given RPM range and make all the average torque and HP you can IN THAT RANGE. Otherwise you're all buying and 'drinking the kool aid' that someone else is selling you.

I make my living in the performance aftermarket. The company I represent provides products and services to nearly every shop name mentioned here in this thread (plus many, many more).

After many years, it still never ceases to amaze me at the people who 'buy' HP numbers. Folks....let me tell you all something (many of you already know this) most anybody with any knowledge of how to operate a dyno can "make your day" or "hurt your feelings" very quickly on any given motor; just in how they "knob" the dyno.

Nobody talks about "area under the torque curve" anymore in general conversation.....that is how much "USABLE" torque does the engine put out, and WHERE (relative to the RPM spectrum)....and let me tell you this. (This would be good to know AND to remember, so get a pen)......and I quote:

"There is often times a HUGE difference in a motor that dyno's well, and a motor that races well."

Those of y'all eager to buy a motor based on it's HP number might wanna simmer on that for a while. What Schatz can do with a given engine package based on throttle control, and gear selection, you (or your driver) may never be able to do. Sammy and Kevin can take an 'off the shelf' Esslinger and spank you with their talent and driving ability, even if you bring 50 more HP to the table..... Horsepower is no good if it's not 'usable'. Additionally, if the motor makes it's magic HP number at 8800 RPM and you spend 97% of your lap time below that number, chances are, you need a different engine package. I'd also suggest you all spend some time reviewing your laps, and determine where the motor 'lives' based on how much track is covered within a given RPM range and make all the average torque and HP you can IN THAT RANGE. Otherwise you're all buying and 'drinking the kool aid' that someone else is selling you.

I make my living in the performance aftermarket. The company I represent provides products and services to nearly every shop name mentioned here in this thread (plus many, many more).

After many years, it still never ceases to amaze me at the people who 'buy' HP numbers. Folks....let me tell you all something (many of you already know this) most anybody with any knowledge of how to operate a dyno can "make your day" or "hurt your feelings" very quickly on any given motor; just in how they "knob" the dyno.

Nobody talks about "area under the torque curve" anymore in general conversation.....that is how much "USABLE" torque does the engine put out, and WHERE (relative to the RPM spectrum)....and let me tell you this. (This would be good to know AND to remember, so get a pen)......and I quote:

"There is often times a HUGE difference in a motor that dyno's well, and a motor that races well."

Those of y'all eager to buy a motor based on it's HP number might wanna simmer on that for a while. What Schatz can do with a given engine package based on throttle control, and gear selection, you (or your driver) may never be able to do. Sammy and Kevin can take an 'off the shelf' Esslinger and spank you with their talent and driving ability, even if you bring 50 more HP to the table..... Horsepower is no good if it's not 'usable'. Additionally, if the motor makes it's magic HP number at 8800 RPM and you spend 97% of your lap time below that number, chances are, you need a different engine package. I'd also suggest you all spend some time reviewing your laps, and determine where the motor 'lives' based on how much track is covered within a given RPM range and make all the average torque and HP you can IN THAT RANGE. Otherwise you're all buying and 'drinking the kool aid' that someone else is selling you.

I make my living in the performance aftermarket. The company I represent provides products and services to nearly every shop name mentioned here in this thread (plus many, many more).

After many years, it still never ceases to amaze me at the people who 'buy' HP numbers. Folks....let me tell you all something (many of you already know this) most anybody with any knowledge of how to operate a dyno can "make your day" or "hurt your feelings" very quickly on any given motor; just in how they "knob" the dyno.

Nobody talks about "area under the torque curve" anymore in general conversation.....that is how much "USABLE" torque does the engine put out, and WHERE (relative to the RPM spectrum)....and let me tell you this. (This would be good to know AND to remember, so get a pen)......and I quote:

"There is often times a HUGE difference in a motor that dyno's well, and a motor that races well."

Those of y'all eager to buy a motor based on it's HP number might wanna simmer on that for a while. What Schatz can do with a given engine package based on throttle control, and gear selection, you (or your driver) may never be able to do. Sammy and Kevin can take an 'off the shelf' Esslinger and spank you with their talent and driving ability, even if you bring 50 more HP to the table..... Horsepower is no good if it's not 'usable'. Additionally, if the motor makes it's magic HP number at 8800 RPM and you spend 97% of your lap time below that number, chances are, you need a different engine package. I'd also suggest you all spend some time reviewing your laps, and determine where the motor 'lives' based on how much track is covered within a given RPM range and make all the average torque and HP you can IN THAT RANGE. Otherwise you're all buying and 'drinking the kool aid' that someone else is selling you.

I make my living in the performance aftermarket. The company I represent provides products and services to nearly every shop name mentioned here in this thread (plus many, many more).

After many years, it still never ceases to amaze me at the people who 'buy' HP numbers. Folks....let me tell you all something (many of you already know this) most anybody with any knowledge of how to operate a dyno can "make your day" or "hurt your feelings" very quickly on any given motor; just in how they "knob" the dyno.

Nobody talks about "area under the torque curve" anymore in general conversation.....that is how much "USABLE" torque does the engine put out, and WHERE (relative to the RPM spectrum)....and let me tell you this. (This would be good to know AND to remember, so get a pen)......and I quote:

"There is often times a HUGE difference in a motor that dyno's well, and a motor that races well."

Those of y'all eager to buy a motor based on it's HP number might wanna simmer on that for a while. What Schatz can do with a given engine package based on throttle control, and gear selection, you (or your driver) may never be able to do. Sammy and Kevin can take an 'off the shelf' Esslinger and spank you with their talent and driving ability, even if you bring 50 more HP to the table..... Horsepower is no good if it's not 'usable'. Additionally, if the motor makes it's magic HP number at 8800 RPM and you spend 97% of your lap time below that number, chances are, you need a different engine package. I'd also suggest you all spend some time reviewing your laps, and determine where the motor 'lives' based on how much track is covered within a given RPM range and make all the average torque and HP you can IN THAT RANGE. Otherwise you're all buying and 'drinking the kool aid' that someone else is selling you.

Yep.....Example.....Wanna see someone go backwards? Take a WoO Williams Grove motor and put it in a USAC car at Haubstadt....

I make my living in the performance aftermarket. The company I represent provides products and services to nearly every shop name mentioned here in this thread (plus many, many more).

After many years, it still never ceases to amaze me at the people who 'buy' HP numbers. Folks....let me tell you all something (many of you already know this) most anybody with any knowledge of how to operate a dyno can "make your day" or "hurt your feelings" very quickly on any given motor; just in how they "knob" the dyno.

Nobody talks about "area under the torque curve" anymore in general conversation.....that is how much "USABLE" torque does the engine put out, and WHERE (relative to the RPM spectrum)....and let me tell you this. (This would be good to know AND to remember, so get a pen)......and I quote:

"There is often times a HUGE difference in a motor that dyno's well, and a motor that races well."

Those of y'all eager to buy a motor based on it's HP number might wanna simmer on that for a while. What Schatz can do with a given engine package based on throttle control, and gear selection, you (or your driver) may never be able to do. Sammy and Kevin can take an 'off the shelf' Esslinger and spank you with their talent and driving ability, even if you bring 50 more HP to the table..... Horsepower is no good if it's not 'usable'. Additionally, if the motor makes it's magic HP number at 8800 RPM and you spend 97% of your lap time below that number, chances are, you need a different engine package. I'd also suggest you all spend some time reviewing your laps, and determine where the motor 'lives' based on how much track is covered within a given RPM range and make all the average torque and HP you can IN THAT RANGE. Otherwise you're all buying and 'drinking the kool aid' that someone else is selling you.

Those prices are the reason alot of locals can't "race for the fun of it" anymore. Then you get fuck heads like Schatz and Saldana.