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First Becker qualifies 2nd quick but out of order so placed behind the invert in 21st position.

When he transfers through his heat he is given his time back (2nd quick) so he can be in

the dash. Finishes 5th in dash so he starts 5th in main, instead of 11th behind the dash cars.

In the main he takes the lead on lap 20, (40 lapper) his front wing starts to fall off

around lap 30. A car spins on lap 33 they throw a red for a fuel stop then make it an open red

so he can replace his front wing and never have to go to the work area. He goes on to win.

At least you can't blame it on Rat. He was at the motorcycle races at Calistoga

First of all....Becker EARNED the win, out drove everyone,and using the cushion, which as you know, was very rough along with the rut going into turn 1....

Second, Becker was checked out, even with the front wing colasped completly,.only reason Golobic was cathing him was heavy traffic.

Third, after the open red, the front wing they put on, colapsed again....so......?

Becker out drove them all, he is the best at Chico right now, has been for the last 6 years or so...

The older I get, the faster I used to be.

Nobody is questioning how good Sean Becker is or isnt at Chico. The point of this thread is asking about the officiating that made several questionable decisions that favored Sean for unknown reasons and these questions, here and at the track last night, are being asked for explanations of those decisions and if there is no explanatiuon, then it sure looks like homer officiating. Had Sean had to come from further back int he field, who knows what the outcome would have been. What you are saying is "who cares what decisions were made, he still won the race". If that's how you see it, then why have a rules book? 

Dan Meene and Sean are a CLASS team, and if you  watched the race it is clear that Sean Becker loves to go fast, and he is faster than all the rest.

Completely irrelevant to this topic.

Becker would have won starting 11th as long as no one crashes in front of him. He was that much faster than the rest.

I will play the devil's advocate here.  It sounds to me like he was never docked his qualifying time--sounds like the penalty for qualifying out of order was being placed behind the invert in the heat without losing the qualifying time.  If you can point out where in the rulebook it is clarified that they bent the rules for him, you have a point.  It likely spells out in the rule book the penalty for qualifying out of turn.  It will likely say "driver starts behind the invert"    ????  Is this possble.  He still qualified with the time he qualified with---so maybe that doesn't get taken away.  ????   Please tell me what the rulebook says about this.  If they disregarded the rule, you have a point.  If they didnt do what you wanted, but didn't bend the rules, then you have no point at all. 

On the open red--this is certainly not the first time an open red has been declared during a red flag for fuel.  Once again, I don't have a clue what their rules state.  Someone please give us the rules for this situation within their sanctioning body and I am sure there will be something related to "fuel stops" and "open-reds".   Open red flags happen. 

There's no way to know if Becker would have won from 11th & there's no way to know if he would

have won with his front wing falling off. The front wing fell down again but in the couple of laps

it was right 34-36 he increased his lead & in the end he won by .2 seconds. No one is disputing that

Becker in the Menne car was the fastest as it has been all year.

egras you are right what are the rules?? It just seems wrong to penalize someone then take the penality away. If he

didn't transfer out of the heat where would he have started the the semi?

http://silverdollarspeedway.com/rules/2014silverDollarGeneralRules.pdf

8 Minute Qualifying rule will vary by racetrack and staging areas:
If we are using a staging lane, if you are in the first group of cars to qualify you will have 8 minutes to
be staged or you will loose 1 qualifying lap, the rule of missing your position by more than 2 positions
will take precedence in all other situations and they will receive 1 lap at the end of qualifying, start
behind the inversion in their heat, and no better than 9th in the A feature.

9th is based off of an 8 car inversion that SDS must use during its weekly shows, but the Fall Nationals was a 10 car dash, which is why the OP said if the rule was applied, he would have started 11th and not been in the dash. 

Again, no one is suggesting Sean himself did anything wrong or is less classy for winning from the 5th spot. But if rules are being enforced, or not, with bias, then let all drives know at the drivers meeting that rules will be made up as the night progresses, and lets see how many cars show up the next week. 

Not arguing with you.  Just wanted to know what the rule was.  I see it is posted in the above post.  And, unless something was discussed in the drivers meeting about rules being different for that race, then I would definitely say they gave him a starting spot they should not have.  Now, if the rule was that he had to start the heat out of the inverts and then kept his time, then that would be a different story.  But it does appear you are correct--unless someone comes up with something different. 

SDS general rules.

http://www.silverdollarspeedway.com/rules/2014silverDollarGeneralRules.pdf

sinced it was an SDS show i would think they would apply.

it says multiple times in many ways you will be penalized for missing qualifying spot more than 2 places by not being able to start feature any better than 9th. since there were 10 cars i guess in the dash i would think that a person would have to start behind those cars.

you are not elegible for re-draw if you got a qualifying penalty.

it say many times that you qualifying penalty follows you to main event and you get a starting spot penalty of no better than 9th. again with a 10 car dash i would think you would have to start no better than behind them.

to indy and beyond!!

http://silverdollarspeedway.com/rules/2014silverDollarGeneralRules.pdf

Under "Qualifying Show Format" section:

3. If a car misses his or her drawn qualifying position by more than two cars; or if they elect to run
one lap at the end; or if both laps are illegal due to exceeding the sound requirements of the
racetrack; the best starting position will be 9th in the “A” main event.

4. If you do not transfer from your heat directly to the “A” main you will be lined up for the “B”
main by your legal qualifying time, However the 9th place starting position penalty for the “A”
main used currently will still be in effect should you transfer to the “A” main.

5. The heat winners and the 4 fastest time trial cars (4 heats) and heat winners and the 5
fastest time trial cars ( 3 heat ) go to the pill redraw for the “A” Main line up top 8 spots
your not eigible for redraw if your a penality car rule 3 above

Now we just need to know why it was made an open red when the only

reason for the red was to re-fuel. Who made that decision?

i tried to copy and paste but it got all screwed up.

out of 12 lines talking about qualifying 5 of them mention the penalty for missing your spot. it is very clear.

so what i want to know is did anyone bring it to the attention of officials before the main rolled out?

to indy and beyond!!

you have a point with the starting position.

the open red is something else...that could have happened no matter what.

fight the fight that you can.

to indy and beyond!!

i have to agree it is frustrating when the track doesn't conduct the show in a manner in which you have been led to believe it will be....isn't it?

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The open red was called because we had gone over 80 total laps and that what Chico can take.  It was said in the drivers meeting that once 80 laps were taken there would be a stop.  When the next yellow came out they were at 86 laps meaning they had to stop. They never do fuel only because it's too hard to police.  The way they have always done it was you can do anything but change a tire.  

thank you.

now what happened with the main event line up?

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