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gators0849
December 21, 2013 at 12:18:39 AM
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Westbrook suit against Williams Grove


gators0849
December 21, 2013 at 12:19:39 AM
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This message was edited on December 21, 2013 at 12:20:52 AM by gators0849

Our cop reporter has been on this, handling the legal aspect. I will be taking care of the ramifications of a decision when rendered in the coming weeks. Stay tuned.



Hambone28
December 21, 2013 at 12:09:24 PM
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This is Bull$hit!!!  He knew the risks envolved!!  Every drive does!!!  Westbrook should be band from ever competing in a race anywhere at anytime!!!   As a drive, owner or other wise!!!

 

   It is people like this whom make the sport worse for other, drives the prices up at the gate........... 

 

   I bet he would have filed a suit if there was a catch fence, and he was put back on the track and struck by another car!!

 

   John Westbrook needs to go way!!!

 

  Just my 2 cents worth!!




sprintfn1
December 21, 2013 at 12:16:27 PM
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This is Bull$hit!!!  He knew the risks envolved!!  Every drive does!!!  Westbrook should be band from ever competing in a race anywhere at anytime!!!   As a drive, owner or other wise!!!

 

   It is people like this whom make the sport worse for other, drives the prices up at the gate........... 

 

   I bet he would have filed a suit if there was a catch fence, and he was put back on the track and struck by another car!!

 

   John Westbrook needs to go way!!!

 

  Just my 2 cents worth!!



THATS WHAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE WORTH YOU MORON..2 CENTS..DOUG WOLFGANG IS ONE OF THE MOST LOVED PEOPLE IN THIS SPORT..HE SUED TO MAKE THIS SPORT BETTER ..AND IT DID..NOW ITS WESTBROOK S TURN..HE HAS THE BALLS TO GIVE IT A TRY..AND I HOPE IT SAVES JUST ONE PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE AND IT WILL BE WORTH IT.



dirt in ur beer
December 21, 2013 at 12:23:17 PM
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Posted By: sprintfn1 on December 21 2013 at 12:16:27 PM

THATS WHAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE WORTH YOU MORON..2 CENTS..DOUG WOLFGANG IS ONE OF THE MOST LOVED PEOPLE IN THIS SPORT..HE SUED TO MAKE THIS SPORT BETTER ..AND IT DID..NOW ITS WESTBROOK S TURN..HE HAS THE BALLS TO GIVE IT A TRY..AND I HOPE IT SAVES JUST ONE PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE AND IT WILL BE WORTH IT.



Im not sure that either one of u r being  COMPLETELY rational here. 



ozzie07
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December 21, 2013 at 01:02:34 PM
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Difference is, Wolfgang didn't want the money, he offered to let WoO off without paying a Penny if they made a Fire/Safety crew mandatory at each race, instead they wanted to fight it, Wolfgang could have went 10 miles further up the road across state line where the didnt have a cap and went for alot more but didn't.




JonR
December 21, 2013 at 02:26:07 PM
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Posted By: ozzie07 on December 21 2013 at 01:02:34 PM

Difference is, Wolfgang didn't want the money, he offered to let WoO off without paying a Penny if they made a Fire/Safety crew mandatory at each race, instead they wanted to fight it, Wolfgang could have went 10 miles further up the road across state line where the didnt have a cap and went for alot more but didn't.



 

You are confusing what Wolfgang said in his book.   Lakeside is located in Kansas a few miles from the state Line with Missouri.   If Lakeside would have been in Missouri instead of Kansas, Doug's lawsuit would not have had a cap.   It was not Doug's choice of where to sue.  This was determined by where the accident occured.  Rather it was a note stating that if he had happened a few miles down the road the results would have been much different. 

As far as the Williams Grove suit, I am very torn on this.   I am normally always beating the safety drum, and anything that can be done to prevent an injury should be done.   However, after a driver races at a track numerous times, he has to assume some of the liablitiy because he continued to come back to the same track without a catch fence.

It was reasonable for Doug to expect that the track would have a means to put out a fire.   I am not sure it is reasonable for Westbrook to think that a 3 foot wall would keep him in the park. 



crazyjoe
December 21, 2013 at 02:38:44 PM
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As much as like John and the value I put on safety I believe after running there more then once his point is mute knowing what is at the track. Another key point is even after the accident John and many others continued to run at the track either as a driver or owner knowing that this accident occurred. Including John.
I do believe that a sanction such as the WOO should have a mandated team for safety follow them to each track and either advise or be part of each event. In my business when I renew any of my insurances a team from each insurance comes and does a loss prevention tour which in my mind would be great for each track the WOO visits. 


JonR
December 21, 2013 at 02:47:11 PM
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Posted By: crazyjoe on December 21 2013 at 02:38:44 PM
As much as like John and the value I put on safety I believe after running there more then once his point is mute knowing what is at the track. Another key point is even after the accident John and many others continued to run at the track either as a driver or owner knowing that this accident occurred. Including John.
I do believe that a sanction such as the WOO should have a mandated team for safety follow them to each track and either advise or be part of each event. In my business when I renew any of my insurances a team from each insurance comes and does a loss prevention tour which in my mind would be great for each track the WOO visits. 


The last part about a tour from the insurance company is very good.   Before a track can get insurance, it has to pass a physical inspection.   I know in the past that race tracks have had to make changes because of this inspection.   apparently the insurance company for Williams Grove did not mandate a catch fence.




luxxy
December 21, 2013 at 03:04:15 PM
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I felt bad for John since his accident,but now reading that he filed lawsuit in 2010 and still showed up or was even left in Williams Grove since then makes me lose all repect.Has far has catch fence keeping him safe from injury is hard to say.He could of easily with a catch fence been thrown back into traffic resulting in same injurys or worse.I've seen many cars leave tracks for years with or without injuries.I'm not a religious person but some things in life were meant to be.



SLINK51
December 21, 2013 at 03:33:41 PM
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He knew the risks. Hell he went over the same said wall more than once, because of his win it or wear it driving style. 



Hambone28
December 21, 2013 at 09:12:57 PM
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Posted By: sprintfn1 on December 21 2013 at 12:16:27 PM

THATS WHAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE WORTH YOU MORON..2 CENTS..DOUG WOLFGANG IS ONE OF THE MOST LOVED PEOPLE IN THIS SPORT..HE SUED TO MAKE THIS SPORT BETTER ..AND IT DID..NOW ITS WESTBROOK S TURN..HE HAS THE BALLS TO GIVE IT A TRY..AND I HOPE IT SAVES JUST ONE PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE AND IT WILL BE WORTH IT.




You can think what you want about me!!!

 

  This suit is not good for sprint car racing!  bottom line!! 

   Westbrook wouldn't make a pimple on Wolfgang's a$$!!!

    You should load youself up in the truck with Westbrook, and drive, drive as far away from racing as you two can get!!  because he isn't helping the sport, and you supporting him is not helping either!!! 




madsen
December 21, 2013 at 09:28:21 PM
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Westbrook, Wolfgang, same same, both very bad for racing.  I finally got Wolfgang's book, about the 5th person to read a friend's book, and couldn't believe it.  It is HIS side of everything.  What a saint.  Screw both of them.  Couldn't believe what a whiner Wolfie was about former owners and crew chiefs. 


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Burning hundreds of buildings, a thousand assaults and 
dozens of murders. Getting worser and worser.

Cobra
December 22, 2013 at 07:56:18 AM
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Firstly let me be clear.  I do not know the details,  just as I suspect the others in this thread don't.

Has anyone even considered that John is not necessarily a willing participant in this suit.  Just maybe the hospital,  doctors etc want to be paid and as such with the American legal system are looking to financially blame someone. 

The term "ambulance chasers"  is very negative, but those attorneys have a role to play on occasions. 

The entire deal is bad for everyone.  No one every wants to get hurt or watch someone get hurt at their business. 

There are many more dangerous things at a race track apart from a 4' drop. If this becomes successful on that basis then look out,  as the impact on tracks and their associated insurance will make the businesses model of running a track am unviable proposition. 

For the improvements to be made,  then start looking at a $30 weekly ticket price. 



opnwhlr
December 22, 2013 at 10:20:46 AM
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I guess, without knowing facts, I tend to side with the racing facility.

A driver knows, once at a track, what is and is not available to him (or her) along the line of safety be it a fire crew, catch fence or whatever.  If the driver then decides to race I think they give up any right to sue for any form of negligence.

 

Just my four cents (inflation you know)!


 
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RANG-GO
December 22, 2013 at 10:23:58 AM
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Firstly let me be clear.  I do not know the details,  just as I suspect the others in this thread don't.

Has anyone even considered that John is not necessarily a willing participant in this suit.  Just maybe the hospital,  doctors etc want to be paid and as such with the American legal system are looking to financially blame someone. 

The term "ambulance chasers"  is very negative, but those attorneys have a role to play on occasions. 

The entire deal is bad for everyone.  No one every wants to get hurt or watch someone get hurt at their business. 

There are many more dangerous things at a race track apart from a 4' drop. If this becomes successful on that basis then look out,  as the impact on tracks and their associated insurance will make the businesses model of running a track am unviable proposition. 

For the improvements to be made,  then start looking at a $30 weekly ticket price. 



Ding ding ding!!! We have someone thinking rational about this. 



crazyjoe
December 22, 2013 at 02:10:39 PM
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(Ding ding ding!!! We have someone thinking rational about this. wink The latter part is correct but no suit is made without the consent or signature of the so called victim in a case like this.



Cobra
December 22, 2013 at 03:19:27 PM
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G'day Joe... Let's say there are two ways this goes down.. Either a signature to proceed on his behalf or another medical bankruptcy. 

If a medical bankruptcy ever incurs... Are you sure that a company cannot buy the debt for pennys on the dollar and then proceed to recoup? 

There are many companies that perform that service on consumer debt,  so I imagine it's only a small jump for them to start trying this. 




minthess
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December 22, 2013 at 05:32:36 PM
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Loved Wolfgang's book.  I've only read a few books cover to cover in my life and his was one but this stuff is ruining society.  If all these people suing give all the winnings to charity and the slimeball lawyers work for about 50k a year salary, I will reconsider.  Let's sue the driver's grandpap for taking him to his first race track as a baby while were at it.


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Vroom11
December 22, 2013 at 06:01:21 PM
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Westbrook suit against Williams Grove


Anytime there's a lawsuit regarding a race track it's not good for the sport. Once a driver straps into the race car, he assumes all risks and rewards. While it's tragic what happened to him, I don't think williams grove should be held accountable.

 





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