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Anyone know what this is all about? Just from looking at it with no knowledge of the situation it looks like a rival startup to the ASCS Warriors that is going to run (almost) weekly at La Monte... Doesn't sound like a terribly great idea as splitting car counts isn't ideal. Anyone got the full story or know what is going on here???

Ask Frank

I do not have the full story, but I do know that last year that they had a handful of ASCS Warrior regions scheduled for their track at the beginning of the year.   However, before the start of the season, they dropped the sanction and ran the races at "Outlaw" races.

I do know that the "Outlaw" races at LA  would draw better than the ASCS Warrior races at US36.   US36 had a very rough time with car counts.  I do not know if that is an issue with ASCS Warrior region or an issue with US36 being such a speed factory.

Finally, it would be interesting to see if ASCS purchased the "Winged Outlaw Warriors" name when they created the warrior region.   I thought that ASCS acquire the WOW series to create the Warrior region.  

From a very reliable source, Arch Simpson is going to form the "Original WOW". There was a meeting this weekend and about 30 drivers or team owners were in attendance. I like the ASCS races but the rules I forcemeat is something to be desired. As you could tell from car counts last year at Warrior region races the following isn't there. 

It wasn't that many years ago that this part of the country had a weekly 360 show on Saturdays at Lake Ozark, Sundays at California, MO AND a pretty successful traveling 360 series (WOW which then became ASCS Warriorregion) and they all had good enough car counts when they went head to head...and stellar car counts on the nights their was only one race happening....It seems like Lake Ozark closing down did more harm than good to the Warrior region car counts... lots of 360 guys went strictly nonwing and some got out all together.

With a track coming back providing a decent paying (I hope) weekly show it may be a struggle to start with but could end up being a shot in the arm that gets Missouri thriving with 360 cars again.

Loose is when you hit the wall with the rear of the
car, tight is when you hit the wall with the front of
the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and
torque is how far you move the wall.

Missouri had better get the 360 cars going before the Racesavers "take over"

giggle snicker giggle

LA Raceway dropped 305's after the 2012 season (the team I personally sponsored finished 2nd in points that year). There isn't much interest in 305's around this area, Missouri is 360 country. In my opion this will do nothing but hurt 360 racing in this area. I can't believe Archie Simpson doesn't remember when Lake Ozark Speedway started running 360's weekly against W.O.W, they both had about 15 cars.....not good!

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Question, is it really a series when they run 16 of their Sat. night races at one track or is just a weekly class at a local track?

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Weekly class at a local track being branded as a series? I guess?!

Ask Frank

I also remember 360's in Missouri having a Friday night (Sedalia), Saturday night (Lake Ozark), Sunday night (California) plus the WOW.  Yes, over time, car counts dwindled and each of these went away and now the only thing left is ASCS Warrior, an outlaw non-wing at Grain Valley and the 305 non wing called WAR.  I see 16 races on the LA Raceway schedule.  Combine that with the 20 race ASCS schedule and that sounds like a solid summer to me.  Now we just need to hope ASCS and WOW don't purposly schedule on top of each other.  There are sone Saturday night races LA Raceway left open and there's a lot of Friday and Sunday options. 

Time will tell if they work together to promote 360's in the area or if ASCS does what they typically do and try to stiff-arm any other series in the area out by scheduling on top of their shows.  I personally think it can be done with both.  The true test will be if Archie Simpson goes out and tries to schedule more shows outside of LA Raceway under the WOW banner.  That action will hurt 360's in the area because there is not enough of them to support 2 shows on the same night.

These people are looking in the wrong direction.  They need to look south to Saint Francois County Raceway in Farmington which runs an open engine rule with a practical right rear tire rule.  They average over twenty sprints weekly, mostly 410's, and put on a great show in front of a large crowd.

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I agree with Scott' opinion on this matter.

Well as all of you seen this year ASCS regional racing in this area is not a big car drawer. I think this is more about drivers being unhappy about the regional ASCS sanction than someone trying to cause a big deal. Most drivers were not happy with the lack of rules enforcement with the Warrior region. Scott you can stand behind ASCS all you want but regional drivers are NOT about running with NO rules inforcement, that is fine with the National tour but not regionally.

What specific rules weren't being enforced?

I don't remember the split of 360 cars going down like that. What I remember is the WOW running exclusivly at Capital Speedway in 2003 because nobody wanted to travel. When Howard Schrock closed down Capital Speedway and built Lake Ozark Speedway, Archie Simpson and Co got pissed of and decided to run head to head against LOS, thus splitting car counts. 

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Do you know, for a fact, which ASCS region "enforces the rules".

What does enforcing the rules mean to you, or these "drivers that were not happy with Warrior region rule enforcement.

This is not an attack on your post. Just wondering.

The WAR series is also open engine rules....it is not a 305 series....but there are a few of the old Lamonte 305 engines still running in the WAR series....it,s a pretty good mix of aluminum 410s, ASCS 360 motors, steel block engines from 350 to 406 cubes, chevys mopars fords etc etc etc.

Loose is when you hit the wall with the rear of the
car, tight is when you hit the wall with the front of
the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and
torque is how far you move the wall.

Thats funny right there...I don`t care who are thats funny

You can bet that there will be races scheduled on top of each other - going to be no way around that.  It has been put out there that ASCS will be at Randolph County on July 5 along with August 30/31.  LA is showing on their schedule that they will have WOW there on all three of those dates.  Figure that there will be more to come.

I'm just wondering what really brought this all on.  Looking back through the results for the Warrior Region the only track they seemed to be down on cars is at US36, but that should have been expected.  The track is on the outer fringes of where their core drivers come from and if I remember right most of those races were on a Friday which would make it tough for some of those guys to get there.

Hawker if you think back WOW also ran in Sedalia on Friday nights one year as well.  That is the year that Earl Walls ran the track.  I remember they had some Saturday shows that year as well, but the bulk of their schedule was on Fridays in Sedalia.

I've worked with both groups in the past and really never had any complaints about either one.  When ASCS bought WOW the tracks did have a bigger marketing machine to help with promoting the shows in ASCS which helps.  On the flip side of that the sanctioning fee also tripled from what it had been under WOW.  That is kind of tough to swallow on the track side.  My understanding is that is also why LA cancelled their ASCS shows last year because the sanction fee increased over what it had been.

Saw the press release where the Warrior Region will be back under ASCS next year and they have quotes from Larry Hol and Jerry Jenkins, but nothing from Randy Combs.  Makes me wonder if he is going to be back in 2014 or jumping over to WOW.

Also think back to 2010 when they guys that had Sedalia decided to run sprints weekly.  They only ran 1/3 of the season, but in that time there were some shows that were on top of each other with ASCS.  The Sedalia car counts were down while the ASCS counts stayed pretty consistent.  Things is that it still split not only the drivers, but the fans on where they went to watch.  Wasn't great for either group and not seeing how this will be either.