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August 08, 2013 at
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Not trying to start anything..but officials allow him to get his spot back after he came to work area is not right in my opinion. Should not matter what the reason for going to the work area, thats tail end penalty. They should make it clear if you pull off track under caution for any reason, you go tail, pretty simple and fair for everyone. I'm sorry but that didn't look right or seem fair to other drivers. Ok let the bashing begin....
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August 08, 2013 at
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It was absolutely the correct call. It was belt related, which is a safety issue. If they didn't rule in this fashion, then you would have guys staying out there with loose belts because they don't want to give up track position, which is just awaiting a disaster.
There absolutely needs to be rules like this.
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August 08, 2013 at
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Posted By: MB_Motorsports on August 08 2013 at 11:24:00 AM
Not trying to start anything..but officials allow him to get his spot back after he came to work area is not right in my opinion. Should not matter what the reason for going to the work area, thats tail end penalty. They should make it clear if you pull off track under caution for any reason, you go tail, pretty simple and fair for everyone. I'm sorry but that didn't look right or seem fair to other drivers. Ok let the bashing begin....
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Did anyone come near his car? No. Was there an advantage gained by pulling in? No. He pulled in because of a seat belt issue. Would you rather he didn't pull in for that, be involved in a crash, and we talk about another causualty in sprint cars? If a driver were to be penalized for that, they would stay on the track and risk it. That's my .02
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August 08, 2013 at
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This is a great rule period.
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August 08, 2013 at
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Posted By: MB_Motorsports on August 08 2013 at 11:24:00 AM
Not trying to start anything..but officials allow him to get his spot back after he came to work area is not right in my opinion. Should not matter what the reason for going to the work area, thats tail end penalty. They should make it clear if you pull off track under caution for any reason, you go tail, pretty simple and fair for everyone. I'm sorry but that didn't look right or seem fair to other drivers. Ok let the bashing begin....
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You might as well delete this post, cause everyone is going to be against you on this.
For any safety issue, you are allowed to get your spot back. If you guys are working on the car other than the safety issue, you are going to be tailing the back.
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August 08, 2013 at
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Posted By: MB_Motorsports on August 08 2013 at 11:24:00 AM
Not trying to start anything..but officials allow him to get his spot back after he came to work area is not right in my opinion. Should not matter what the reason for going to the work area, thats tail end penalty. They should make it clear if you pull off track under caution for any reason, you go tail, pretty simple and fair for everyone. I'm sorry but that didn't look right or seem fair to other drivers. Ok let the bashing begin....
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They did not allow him to do anything that is and has always been the rule
where have you been watching racing
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August 08, 2013 at
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I think for safety reasons a driver should get their spot back. That being said I think the way Stewart handled it was completely wrong he could have easily caused a big pile up the way he jumped up in front of everybody as they were going green. He should have pulled high into the cushion and just stopped. He would have been out of the way and the yellow came out. Did he take Ian's nose wing out too by the way under that caution when he abruptly pulled out of line! If so, you almost need special circumstances for Ian to get his spot back as well.
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August 08, 2013 at
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The rules were followed - non issue
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August 08, 2013 at
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agree with all of the above posts, cept' the first one!!
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August 08, 2013 at
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Knoxville has had the rule for many many years allowing a driver to stop if his belts pop and keep his spot... most other tracks and series have the same rule...A few years ago TMac had to stop to have his belts re-fastened... I'm sure there have been many others...
We would like to think that any driver would stop if his belts popped regardless of wether or not there is a penalty, but unfortunately that's not the case...when Jack Hewitt won all 4 features at the 4-crown years ago his belts popped in either the sprinter or silver crown car with 5-10 laps left while he was leading...he said he never even considered stopping... said he could feel God holding him in the seat....
This proves to me that giving a guy his spot back to fix his belts is a great rule...
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August 08, 2013 at
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Posted By: LR on August 08 2013 at 11:49:25 AM
I think for safety reasons a driver should get their spot back. That being said I think the way Stewart handled it was completely wrong he could have easily caused a big pile up the way he jumped up in front of everybody as they were going green. He should have pulled high into the cushion and just stopped. He would have been out of the way and the yellow came out. Did he take Ian's nose wing out too by the way under that caution when he abruptly pulled out of line! If so, you almost need special circumstances for Ian to get his spot back as well.
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This does bring up a good point. It wasn't handled as well as it could have been by Shane, but without knowing the whole story it's hard to judge him. However, did he cause the damage to the 18 nose wing? It happened right around then but I saw no front end damage on Shane's car nor any tail tank damage on Ian's car.
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August 08, 2013 at
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Everyone who has been around a sprintcar team knows when something doesn't go your way, just pull the belts loose & say they came loose. It's a part of the sport most fans don't know about.
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August 08, 2013 at
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August 08, 2013 at
12:47:01 PM by The_Truth_Detector
Forget the "Belt call"....As Mr. Highside posted, that is the oldest trick in the book. My question is WTF is up with the "Yellow cone call". You hit the cone, you go to the tail, it's been that way since they started using cones. I know there was a LOT of chatter in the pits over that call....Or lack there of...
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August 08, 2013 at
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Posted By: Mr. Highside on August 08 2013 at 12:34:26 PM
Everyone who has been around a sprintcar team knows when something doesn't go your way, just pull the belts loose & say they came loose. It's a part of the sport most fans don't know about.
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I could definitely seeing this employed but I don't see how Shane could have used this last night.
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August 08, 2013 at
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Posted By: Mr. Highside on August 08 2013 at 12:34:26 PM
Everyone who has been around a sprintcar team knows when something doesn't go your way, just pull the belts loose & say they came loose. It's a part of the sport most fans don't know about.
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What possible advantage could he have attained or disadvantage overcome by getting out of line under a yellow flag? It's been confirmed that nobody worked on the car. He wasn't a straightaway behind, getting a free pass on that stupid lapped cars to the rear rule, or benefitting in any way, shape or form. His belts came loose. Hoorah for Shane to put his life before anything. Did he know he was getting his spot back? Did it matter to him at that point?
Mark I agree with the poster who said Shane could have pulled up high and stopped before or as they took the green. But, and you can confirm this for me because I have not been there, it seems everything at Knoxville is done in the work area. Open reds, cars are pushed to the work area. Seems no matter what he did, he was going to be pushed to the work area anyway where an official(and not a helper on the quad) could confirm and reattach the belts. No?
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August 08, 2013 at
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Shane was running fourth or fifth at the time, how does pulling into the pits and tightening a belt then getting pushed off constitute taking advantage. If they didn't get their spot back for a safety purpose, they would risk a driver taking an unecessary risk and not pulling in to tighten a safety belt.
As an advid race fan, I don't want any driver taking any more risk with their lives for my entertainment than they already do.
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August 08, 2013 at
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Posted By: The_Truth_Detector on August 08 2013 at 12:46:17 PM
Forget the "Belt call"....As Mr. Highside posted, that is the oldest trick in the book. My question is WTF is up with the "Yellow cone call". You hit the cone, you go to the tail, it's been that way since they started using cones. I know there was a LOT of chatter in the pits over that call....Or lack there of...
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I thought the same thing I thought it was to the rear. I've seen drivers in weekly shows to the rear before.
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August 08, 2013 at
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i do understand the deal with the belts rules normally says you have to stop by an offical under yellow if you stop under green you go to the tail. remember brad doty running the end of a race back in the day after his belts come off think he finished forth you could see it flapping in the air after the race ted johnson ripped his ass for it. as for the cone deal never heard of a one spot penelty think they dropped the ball on that one would like someone to explain that one johnny gibson can you get us a answer for this?
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August 08, 2013 at
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As far as I know, the one position penalty for hitting the cone is a Knoxville rule. World of Outlaws rules are 2 spots for hitting the cone.
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August 08, 2013 at
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gettin the excuses ready in case Shane Stewart finishes ahead of your favorite driver Saturday night?
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