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cubicdollars
July 31, 2012 at 05:06:24 PM
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Should the WoO go to a compression rule?
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Yes 23 68 %
No 11 32 %
Total Votes 34  

Dave Argabright mentions in Sprint Car & Midget that the idea of a compression rule is being batted around again in big league sprint car racing.


 

 

 

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minthess
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July 31, 2012 at 05:27:19 PM
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7to1 max


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

linbob
July 31, 2012 at 05:32:09 PM
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Posted By: minthess on July 31 2012 at 05:27:19 PM

7to1 max



7 to 1 is a model A compression. I think 14 to 1 would make sense.




Bet n Housen
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July 31, 2012 at 05:41:06 PM
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Yes 7 to 1 is model A compression but 6 to 1 with 85 % nitro would work fine,oh yeah,I know my flathead loved it.So next year get that small Toyota motor with 6 to 1 and 85% and big Hoosiers look out, a kick butt combo at Lernerville,high, wide,and Hummin' ,and at Salina,Okla. too.

sprintfn1
July 31, 2012 at 05:49:45 PM
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YOU MUST BE JOKING..THOSE GUYS USE 430CI AT ALMOST EVERY SHOW..WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE LOCALS GET BEAT SO OFTEN..I AM NOT SAYING THEY ALL CHEAT..JUST MOST OF THEM.



cubicdollars
July 31, 2012 at 05:55:28 PM
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Our PA 358s can go a whole season on a rebuild with 10 3/4:1 flat top piston compression. You wouldn't notice a 410 down 100 horsepower on small tracks and you could go twice as long between rebuilds at big tracks like the Grove. You don't want to change things so much everyone has to go out and buy different heads to be competitive though. 12 or 13 to 1 might be good enough.

 

 

 

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texdel
July 31, 2012 at 07:13:59 PM
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13.5:1 tops.

Question is, how are they going to enforce it?

Top 3 at every race?

Random 5 at each race?



brettco
July 31, 2012 at 07:49:13 PM
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Do you guys really think Tony and Kasey want ideas from you all to save money? Their major advantage in WoO racing is they have MORE money than ....... Worry about saving the local track because the WoO doesn't want any help.

GRINCH9975
July 31, 2012 at 08:20:09 PM
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pump and weigh all cars before event and pump and weigh top whatever......




91RI
July 31, 2012 at 11:09:55 PM
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NO! I can't afford to have any more of my money saved! I mean it! I have had to miss so damn many races already in my career because the rules keep changing! I still have a bunch of old open rule Hoosier Right Rears that I never got to use because of the SC tire rule. Then I have SC's I didn't get to use because of the Goodyear rule. Now I'll have to rebuild my fresh engine because the compression's too high. Cut the crap out already. If I want to race limited sprints I'll race 360's.



kooks
July 31, 2012 at 11:14:50 PM
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They don't need a compression rule.


They need rock hard and somewhat smaller tires that can't get the HP to the ground.


Then there is no need for a 900 hp motor that needs rebuilding every 6 nights and everyone can keep running the equipment they've got.





dirtdevil
July 31, 2012 at 11:29:19 PM
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Posted By: 91RI on July 31 2012 at 11:09:55 PM

NO! I can't afford to have any more of my money saved! I mean it! I have had to miss so damn many races already in my career because the rules keep changing! I still have a bunch of old open rule Hoosier Right Rears that I never got to use because of the SC tire rule. Then I have SC's I didn't get to use because of the Goodyear rule. Now I'll have to rebuild my fresh engine because the compression's too high. Cut the crap out already. If I want to race limited sprints I'll race 360's.



Exactly,

A comp rule isnt going to do diddly $h#t bit of difference, these teams pockets are lined with cash, if you cap a piston -head combo they will just find another avenue not ventured into yet , Outlaw 410 cars are what they are, changing rules has never aided me in money spent, I simply have to spend more because everyone figured the winners need more rules, truth be known, a bit of talent and a ton of cash will prevail in this sport, the rising cost of 360's and 305's are what is going to make a limited 410 more appetizing , dam! , I just hate the sound of that! Ok so, everyone without a boatload of cash in a 410 or that doesnt even own one is interested in LIMITED 410 racing? is that what your trying to say.? a spec 410 ? a governed 410? a restricted 410? a turd for a 410? restrictor plate Nascar type racing is that what were after? is that it!




Hawker
July 31, 2012 at 11:32:37 PM
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Run whatcha brung.........With bricks for tires....That IS the cure!
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HoldenCaulfield
August 01, 2012 at 01:59:48 AM
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More CI's is the cheapest way to get more HP. Modifieds allow 467 CI big blocks, why not sprints? What about Schatz/Shaver engine 430 CI, 700 HP for under 20G? Add FI to that and it would put out a few more horses. Smaller tracks also solve the motor $$ problem. A 358 finished 5th at Path Valley Sunday night, ahead of a few decent 410's including Hodnett.


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cubicdollars
August 01, 2012 at 04:27:03 AM
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This message was edited on August 01, 2012 at 04:21:42 PM by cubicdollars
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Posted By: 91RI on July 31 2012 at 11:09:55 PM

NO! I can't afford to have any more of my money saved! I mean it! I have had to miss so damn many races already in my career because the rules keep changing! I still have a bunch of old open rule Hoosier Right Rears that I never got to use because of the SC tire rule. Then I have SC's I didn't get to use because of the Goodyear rule. Now I'll have to rebuild my fresh engine because the compression's too high. Cut the crap out already. If I want to race limited sprints I'll race 360's.



Your argument about having to rebuild your engine doesn't hold weight, because the whole idea of a rule like this is so you can run your motor twice as many races between rebuilds. As long as you don't have to end up buying different heads and injection to be competive with lower compression. You'd make your money back in one rebuild, even if you were too dumb to time it for the new rule in the first place.


 

 

 

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dirtybeer
August 01, 2012 at 05:50:39 AM
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This message was edited on August 01, 2012 at 05:51:57 AM by dirtybeer
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Posted By: Hawker on July 31 2012 at 11:32:37 PM
Run whatcha brung.........With bricks for tires....That IS the cure!


I kind of agree.Put them on hard tires and some of the engine cost will take care of itself.As you know,here in Mo.,we have an open motor non wing class,and 305's win many of the races against hard hitting 360 and 410 motors.Why,because they are running a hard right rear tire.Put those 410's on hard rear tires on both sides and I bet the racing gets better and you could run engines that aren't time bombs and be competitive and even win.



minthess
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August 01, 2012 at 11:56:16 AM
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Posted By: Hawker on July 31 2012 at 11:32:37 PM
Run whatcha brung.........With bricks for tires....That IS the cure!


If you are ever in Chambersburg, I want to buy you dinner.

 


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

minthess
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August 01, 2012 at 12:03:01 PM
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This message was edited on August 01, 2012 at 12:08:45 PM by minthess
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Posted By: linbob on July 31 2012 at 05:32:09 PM

7 to 1 is a model A compression. I think 14 to 1 would make sense.



I say 7:1 because guys like Haud could completely retire and stop even hoping for a full time ride. Look at the money the car owners would save not having to pay for a decent driver with at least a little guts and talent. If we make it pathetic enough maybe we can use the sport like a charity and ask for donations! In our socialistic age it would also even everything out perfectly. Sammy would have very little advantage over a cowardly poor used car saleman like me. It would be awsome.


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?


minthess
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August 01, 2012 at 12:10:55 PM
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Posted By: 91RI on July 31 2012 at 11:09:55 PM

NO! I can't afford to have any more of my money saved! I mean it! I have had to miss so damn many races already in my career because the rules keep changing! I still have a bunch of old open rule Hoosier Right Rears that I never got to use because of the SC tire rule. Then I have SC's I didn't get to use because of the Goodyear rule. Now I'll have to rebuild my fresh engine because the compression's too high. Cut the crap out already. If I want to race limited sprints I'll race 360's.



Do you have t-shirts?


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

dirtdevil
August 01, 2012 at 01:28:46 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on August 01 2012 at 04:27:03 AM

Your argument about having to rebuild your engine doesn't hold weight, because the whole idea of a rule like this is so you can run your motor twice as many races between rebuilds. As long as you don't have to end up buying different heads and injection to be competive with lower compression. You'd make your money back in one rebuild, even if you were too dumb to time it for the new rule in the first place.



So if his mill has a recent rebuild, (I dont know where he runs locally) but this make a huge differance on how soon his mill will need freshening, RPM,and how long subject to it , HP, wing or non wing, valvetrain components, ect all play roll in this freshening equasion just how competitive of a mill does he have, lets sy it cracks 850-880 hp pretty stout piece, he runs Knox,WG,? proubly going to strech 10 nights on it , what time of season is it now? have you shopped for a set of good pistons lately? well his are junk now, so he needs a complete teardown,rings, bearings, gaskets ok now he went into 8k just for a new set of shitty pistons, "oe well" you say, buy different heads! OE, no not so quick, do some sopping for that item too.It gets worse!. Limiting compression isnt the answer for anything, 90% of the tracks cant hold all the HP most cars run today, thats a fact! good drivers use it sparingly, and drop hammer when the track will take it , you take the compression away they will find ways to achieve 12000 rpm and valvetrains will start to fatige earlier, Im just using this RPM as a example where your limitations in one area will increase spending in another, I hate to say it but the tires are the biggest and cheapest (disposable item) that would slow cars down, better racing? I dont agree 100% , but,it just depends on the night , Trouble is, GY has difficulty keeping 400's(they tell us) stocked, why? becasue they last, if you were a tire salesman you would understand customers need something if it wears out. its just sneeky buisness and these guys wanna go fast, simple as that.





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