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DWwinnerscircle
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March 16, 2012 at 11:55:06 PM
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There's no shortage of good causes in the world. But this past winter, dozens of Jason Sides fans decided to give money to the 410 Sprint Car racer, either via buying items through his online auction, or through direct donation. Why'd they do it? The Winner's Circle tracked down a few people who were more than happy to explain themselves: http://www.delwestengineering.com/winnerscircleblog/2012/03/17/something-about-this-case-struck-a-nerve-fans-their-favorite-driver-and-an-unusual-charitable-auction/

 




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This is one sad example of what happens when big money comes in and dictates to the competitors what they can or can not do through a contract. It seems to me that these racers should have complete control over where and when they race. That they need to sign a contract at all is sad, but it is a sign of the corporate times. If WOO comes to town and Jason is racing elsewhere, maybe I will take my money to elsewhere. If you catch my drift.
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March 17, 2012 at 02:11:47 AM
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Posted By: DWwinnerscircle on March 16 2012 at 11:55:06 PM

There's no shortage of good causes in the world. But this past winter, dozens of Jason Sides fans decided to give money to the 410 Sprint Car racer, either via buying items through his online auction, or through direct donation. Why'd they do it? The Winner's Circle tracked down a few people who were more than happy to explain themselves: http://www.delwestengineering.com/winnerscircleblog/2012/03/17/something-about-this-case-struck-a-nerve-fans-their-favorite-driver-and-an-unusual-charitable-auction/

 



THEY SHOULD TAKE THE WORD OUTLAW OUT OF WOO, AS I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST FORMED WAS TO RUN A GROUP THAT WAS NOT THE SAME AS USAC WITH ALL OF USAC RULES THERE WAS 2 OTHER ATTEMPS TO FORM A NEW GROUP, BUT THEY BOTH FAILED..GUESS WE ARE STUCK WITH WOO. WHEN STEVE AND SAMMY RETIRE WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.




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March 17, 2012 at 07:42:20 AM
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I'm a fan of Jason and I think WOO screwed him but Jason CHOSE to run with the WOO. He signed a contract so he could get the tow money other benefits. As far as BIG MONEY goes, isn't this what the drivers and teams wanted? "Take Sprint Car racing to the next level"? Well, BIG MONEY is the next level.

I've been going to WOO shows for almost 30 years. So is this level better or worse??? Neither, it's just different!

The biggest change will come when the two remaining icons, Steve and Sammy quit or retire. Who is going to be the face of Sprint Car racing and will that person be able to draw fans???



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March 17, 2012 at 08:07:04 AM
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Posted By: linbob on March 17 2012 at 02:11:47 AM

THEY SHOULD TAKE THE WORD OUTLAW OUT OF WOO, AS I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST FORMED WAS TO RUN A GROUP THAT WAS NOT THE SAME AS USAC WITH ALL OF USAC RULES THERE WAS 2 OTHER ATTEMPS TO FORM A NEW GROUP, BUT THEY BOTH FAILED..GUESS WE ARE STUCK WITH WOO. WHEN STEVE AND SAMMY RETIRE WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.



Things will change little when Steve and Sammy retire. This isn't altogether different than NASCAR, which was pronounced dead by many people when Earnhardt died. I heard countless people say that Earnhardt was the only reason they watched NASCAR. You know what? Those same folks are still watching today, and if anything NASCAR surged in popularitiy in the years following the demise of big E. Steve is arguably the greatest ever, but he isn't bigger than the sport itself. Same with Sammy, great driver but not bigger or better than the sport. The sport and the WoO will carry on without Steve and Sammy.



Twenty8
March 17, 2012 at 11:14:47 AM
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Same thing happened in the NBA when Magic and Bird moved on. Hopefully there are new stars to take their place. Unfortunately we have lost a few of those candidates over the past few years.




singlefile
March 17, 2012 at 11:27:30 AM
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Posted By: budz76 on March 17 2012 at 07:42:20 AM

I'm a fan of Jason and I think WOO screwed him but Jason CHOSE to run with the WOO. He signed a contract so he could get the tow money other benefits. As far as BIG MONEY goes, isn't this what the drivers and teams wanted? "Take Sprint Car racing to the next level"? Well, BIG MONEY is the next level.

I've been going to WOO shows for almost 30 years. So is this level better or worse??? Neither, it's just different!

The biggest change will come when the two remaining icons, Steve and Sammy quit or retire. Who is going to be the face of Sprint Car racing and will that person be able to draw fans???



Yep, this. If a driver signs a contract to take the benefits WRG offers, then fine. But if a driver doesn't want to abide by the contract he signed, then don't sign it in the first place and then bitch about it when you violate the contract.

It just seems hard for me muster up any sympathy for how badly Sides was "screwed:" when he has crawled right back to WRG this season after they "screwed" him so terribly last season.



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March 17, 2012 at 12:16:50 PM
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Posted By: Sprinter 79 on March 17 2012 at 12:19:01 AM
This is one sad example of what happens when big money comes in and dictates to the competitors what they can or can not do through a contract. It seems to me that these racers should have complete control over where and when they race. That they need to sign a contract at all is sad, but it is a sign of the corporate times. If WOO comes to town and Jason is racing elsewhere, maybe I will take my money to elsewhere. If you catch my drift.


You can do that just don't take the benefits and you can go anywhere you want to

Ball players should be able to play where they want to right

O wait they signed a contract to play for that team

Your drift is you don't get contracts



throttlejohnson
March 17, 2012 at 12:49:48 PM
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Fans gave money to Sides? I am a little surprised...poor Sides...right...this guy has plenty of money...hes not hurting....you dont think Steve and Sammy were ever shafted? hell look at Wolfgang...my God folks...Jason is a millionaire...he dont need YOUR money...he does need fans/support...and yes probably deserved a phone call back from WRG.....and thats all...you think if he actually felt he was diliberatly screwed out of thousands of dollars he would be running all these WoO shows? please........he can race anywhere he wants to..he CHOOSES to run with the Outlaws!!!!! Folks there are plenty of people hurting for money, food and housing in this Counrty..hell the World for that matter...and I acn understand supporting someone or something...buy..this guy has enough of his own money to survive...dont feel sorry for Sides folks...

Would like to add Jason has ran very well so far this year...hell the last few years...

 


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cajunis#1
March 17, 2012 at 03:42:19 PM
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He is 3rd in WoO points (though not racing for points) and picked up a regional 360 win a couple weeks ago.

 

My problem with this whole situation is don't be asking for a bail out from the fans then turn right around and go back to the source of your need for the bail out. Whether he has a legit case or not is irrelevant in my eyes. What does matter is if he felt so strongly that he was wronged that he needed our $$$ to help him he shouldn't have used our $$$ to go back to his ex. That would be like asking your BFF for money for a divorce lawyer then remarrying your ex wife as soon as the divorce is final.


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Sprinter 79
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March 17, 2012 at 05:01:36 PM
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Posted By: vanh on March 17 2012 at 12:16:50 PM

You can do that just don't take the benefits and you can go anywhere you want to

Ball players should be able to play where they want to right

O wait they signed a contract to play for that team

Your drift is you don't get contracts



I understand contracts more than you probably know. You are not crediting that maybe Jason is telling the truth. How is it fair that a club who has it's racers sign no compete clauses turns around and allows some to go elsewhere but not all? If Jason is telling the truth then it would be WRG that does not understand contracts, not I........Or is it, ONLY those that are deemed worthy are allowed to break the contract? Your right, maybe I don't understand selective contract signing! Good call there.
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singlefile
March 17, 2012 at 05:28:44 PM
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He is 3rd in WoO points (though not racing for points) and picked up a regional 360 win a couple weeks ago.

 

My problem with this whole situation is don't be asking for a bail out from the fans then turn right around and go back to the source of your need for the bail out. Whether he has a legit case or not is irrelevant in my eyes. What does matter is if he felt so strongly that he was wronged that he needed our $$$ to help him he shouldn't have used our $$$ to go back to his ex. That would be like asking your BFF for money for a divorce lawyer then remarrying your ex wife as soon as the divorce is final.



This post is completely on the money. My big objection to the teary-eyed, pull at the heartstrings "But WRG screwed Sides" garbage is who the hell would go back to a company or organization that "screwed" them so bad? That are high quality racers out there that make a living racing with ASCoC or the Posse or ASCS instead of having to swallow their pride and crawl back to a sanctioning body that "screwed" them. The whole Sides bluster seems like a lot of hot air and bullshit when he has no problem going right back to an organization that "screwed" him.




singlefile
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Posted By: Sprinter 79 on March 17 2012 at 05:01:36 PM
I understand contracts more than you probably know. You are not crediting that maybe Jason is telling the truth. How is it fair that a club who has it's racers sign no compete clauses turns around and allows some to go elsewhere but not all? If Jason is telling the truth then it would be WRG that does not understand contracts, not I........Or is it, ONLY those that are deemed worthy are allowed to break the contract? Your right, maybe I don't understand selective contract signing! Good call there.


So if WRG was that unfair and "screwed" Sides so badly, I guess that is why he is right back running for such an unfair organization?



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March 17, 2012 at 05:56:25 PM
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This message was edited on March 17, 2012 at 06:28:33 PM by MHardee
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Posted By: singlefile on March 17 2012 at 05:31:16 PM

So if WRG was that unfair and "screwed" Sides so badly, I guess that is why he is right back running for such an unfair organization?



You know, I do TRY do just ignore these less than well thought out posts, but damn...

Could you please explain to the world exactly how many organizations run enough 410 races to make a reasonable living doing what you have the tools and knowledge to do? How many was that? Yea...

Make a living 360 racing and touring? Been there done that... Oh wait a sec, They won't let me use these 410's I have... Damn...

Look, and THIS I can GUARANTEE.... Jason has not made any comments here, said anything bad about the WRG, MF'd anyone at the WOO that hasn't lied to him or about him. Those two know who they are. He has repeated stated that he wants to run the series. All he expects is to be treated fairly.

BELIEVE ME you do not have all (or nearly any) of the true facts of this unfortunate situation.. As far as the donations many have made (including me), this was requested by fans...

To quote Wilford Brimley in Absence of Malice:
"It ain't legal. And worse than that, by God it ain't right."

If you feel so strongly about it, I am sure WRG could use your donation... send it please....

Sorry to the rest of you for getting my blood pressure up... With what I am going through personally and reading all of this rubbish I just could not help it. I will shut up now....

Mark



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March 17, 2012 at 06:21:08 PM
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I did`nt realize there were so many people who no Jason so well that they have an insight into his personal standings.ie Jason has plenty of money ??? where did you get your crystal ball from. Don`t ask your fans to bail you out ??? He did`nt we offered and that is fact. Also we all no the contract was breached regardless of the attempts to get an exemption fact,what is the the real issue is the treatment there after and the level of punishment that was handed down. As far as Jason crawling back to the W.R.G what a load of crap!Race drivers in all forms of elite racing the world over have had issues with the governing bodies and continued to race with them so why should this be any different.When you have an issue you sort it and move on like it was never there.
I SUPPORT JASON SIDES FROM DOWN UNDER


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March 17, 2012 at 06:34:20 PM
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I did`nt realize there were so many people who no Jason so well that they have an insight into his personal standings.ie Jason has plenty of money ??? where did you get your crystal ball from. Don`t ask your fans to bail you out ??? He did`nt we offered and that is fact. Also we all no the contract was breached regardless of the attempts to get an exemption fact,what is the the real issue is the treatment there after and the level of punishment that was handed down. As far as Jason crawling back to the W.R.G what a load of crap!Race drivers in all forms of elite racing the world over have had issues with the governing bodies and continued to race with them so why should this be any different.When you have an issue you sort it and move on like it was never there.


I don't know what you do know, but i do know that you don't know the correct use of "know".

For all I know it makes no difference to you.

Just trying to help.



BigGMan
March 17, 2012 at 06:40:24 PM
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First, I don't think Jason is running for or with the WoO. He is running in their shows because they are the best paying available (and nearly the only races right now). My understanding is that he is not contracted with them this year, and so does not get tow money. Not sure what else he doesn't get.

Second, I believe Jason's points money was withheld as punishment last year. So long as a driver has paid the membership fee (and any driver who runs a WoO race must), that driver is eligible to collect whatever point money he accumulates. Could be wrong, but I think the WoO pays down to 20th in points. Do you really think Sammy Swindell did not collect point money last year? He was NOT under contract with the WoO.

Third, I have a problem with the WoO restricting a driver from racing when there is no scheduled WoO show, the show has been rained out or other wise cancelled. I'm fine with restrictions of a couple of days and some number of miles of a scheduled show.




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March 17, 2012 at 06:41:04 PM
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This message was edited on March 17, 2012 at 10:16:48 PM by singlefile
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Posted By: MHardee on March 17 2012 at 05:56:25 PM

You know, I do TRY do just ignore these less than well thought out posts, but damn...

Could you please explain to the world exactly how many organizations run enough 410 races to make a reasonable living doing what you have the tools and knowledge to do? How many was that? Yea...

Make a living 360 racing and touring? Been there done that... Oh wait a sec, They won't let me use these 410's I have... Damn...

Look, and THIS I can GUARANTEE.... Jason has not made any comments here, said anything bad about the WRG, MF'd anyone at the WOO that hasn't lied to him or about him. Those two know who they are. He has repeated stated that he wants to run the series. All he expects is to be treated fairly.

BELIEVE ME you do not have all (or nearly any) of the true facts of this unfortunate situation.. As far as the donations many have made (including me), this was requested by fans...

To quote Wilford Brimley in Absence of Malice:
"It ain't legal. And worse than that, by God it ain't right."

If you feel so strongly about it, I am sure WRG could use your donation... send it please....

Sorry to the rest of you for getting my blood pressure up... With what I am going through personally and reading all of this rubbish I just could not help it. I will shut up now....

Mark



Um, you conveniently forgot to mention that I also listed other options I mentioned for full-time 410 drivers. Hell, PA has as many, if not more, ex Outlaw drivers than the Outlaws do. Tim Shaffer has also done pretty damn well with ASCoC the last couple years, Tim Kaeding seems to be doing very well these days racing KWS. PA or Ohio/ASCoC certainly do provide the possibility of racing as many, if not more, races than the Outlaws.

My posts on here in the past have shown that I am not a fan of WRG, but I hate the whole phoniness of the "Poor Jason Sides Got Screwed" BS when he goes right back to the organization that "screwed" him even more.




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This message was edited on March 17, 2012 at 07:22:27 PM by mdr4774
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Posted By: singlefile on March 17 2012 at 05:31:16 PM

So if WRG was that unfair and "screwed" Sides so badly, I guess that is why he is right back running for such an unfair organization?



Singlefile you are absolutely correct!!! Nobody can justify why Sides is even showing up for the Outlaws shows if they were so unfair!!! And to anyone who gave Sides money because of this mess ,,well how can you feel like you were really helping????



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1st paragraph, last sentence: So far this year, Sides is not racing with the Outlaws.





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