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new-parts
August 11, 2011 at 12:18:42 PM
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Midget vs. Sprint Car in Champions Challenge at Bear Ridge This Saturday

Bradford, VT – One of racing’s great questions – which is faster on a dirt short track, a Midget or a Sprint Car? – will be answered this Saturday night July 2 at Bear Ridge Speedway when a pair of champions go mano a mano in a two car match race.

In the First Annual Champions Challenge, Joe Krawiec, the 2010 Whip City Speedway Quad 4 Midget Champ, will represent the USAC DMA Midgets while former Bear Ridge track champ Kevin Chaffee will defend the honor of the SCoNE Sprint Car drivers.

Both drivers are at the peak of their games at Bear Ridge this season. Krawiec has two Midget feature wins and Chafee was the runner-up both times. Chafee also has a DIRTcar Sportsman Modified win to his credit this season.

The extra added attraction match race is the cherry on top of an already exciting schedule at Bear Ridge. A full series of heats and features for both the USAC DMA Midgets and the SCoNE Sprint Cars will mark the first time in history that the royalty of open cockpit racing have shared a bill in Northern New England. Stock Car fans will enjoy the double features for most of the Bear Ridge regular weekly divisions and everyone will be awed by the spectacular fireworks show from Noise R Us Fireworks. Adult admission is only $10, $8 for teens and seniors and $2 for kids.

Sources: Mark McKeon/ USAC DMA PR

 




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This message was edited on August 11, 2011 at 03:48:35 PM by BIGFISH

Ron Shuman the flying shoe would have won it going away on a 1/4 mile track in a Midget, or maybe even at Ascot.


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new-parts
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Ron Shuman the flying shoe would have won it going away on a 1/4 mile track in a Midget, or maybe even at Ascot.



 

Kenny, might not be too far-fetched that Shuman could have won at Ascot.
In 2009 the last time I was at the 1/2 mile Eldora Speedway for the 4 Crown,
Bryan Clauson had Midget Quick Time at 16.48 and Tracy Hines in the Stewart
Number 21 Sprint Car was Quick at 17.14.
I think Clauson would have won that day in the Midget if they had let the Midgets
run with the Sprint Cars.
lol
Don
USAC NATIONAL SPRINT CAR SERIES RACE RESULTS:

September 26, 2009 – Rossburg, Ohio – Eldora Speedway – 29th Team Chevy “4-Crown Nationals”

QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Tracy Hines, 21, Stewart-17.148; 2. Brad Sweet, 9, Kahne/Curb-17.282; 3. Scotty Weir, 1G, Gorby-17.372; 4. Hunter Schuerenberg, 11D, Walker-17.378; 5. Dave Darland, 2B, RWB-17.384; 6. Chase Stockon, 32, Stockon-17.549; 7. Jerry Coons Jr., 69, Dynamics-17.555; 8. Damion Gardner, 71, DG-17.597; 9. Darren Hagen, 12, Bell-17.604; 10. Cole Whitt, 67k, Kunz-17.626; 11. Matt Westfall, 91x, SC-17.629; 12. Chris Windom, 11, Walker-17.690; 13. Henry Clarke, 67, Kunz-17.757; 14. Chad Boat, 30, Boat-17.763; 15. Levi Jones, 20, Stewart-17.775; 16. Brady Short, 36, Short-17.871; 17. Shane Hollingsworth, 34, Olson-18.171; 18. Josh Wise, 37, Indiana Underground-18.196; 19. John Memmer, 4m, Memmer-18.206; 20. Jonathan Hendrick, 68, Hendrick-18.226; 21. Jon Stanbrough, 7R, Daugherty-18.252; 22. Cale Conley, 1z, Benic-18.255; 23. Andrew Elson, 27a, Elson-18.428; 24. Mitch Wissmiller, 23, Wissmiller-18.430; 25. Luke Hall, 9H, McClure-18.459; 26. Rob Chaney, 7k, Jessup-18.485; 27. Nic Faas, 17F, Faas-18.502; 28. Kevin Thomas Jr., 9k, Thomas-18.524; 29. Jon Sciscoe, 7s, Sciscoe-18.549; 30. Bryan Clauson, 7, Tucker-18.587; 31. Nick Landon, 82, Landon-18.615; 32. Robert Ballou, 81, MPHG-18.621; 33. J.C. Bland, 98, Bland-18.780; 34. Scott Hampton, 59, Powell-18.793; 35. Aric Gentry, 5, Wise-18.882; 36. J.J. Hughes, 76, Hughes-18.885; 37. Bill Rose, 8, Wood-19.119; 38. Mike Brecht, 9x, SC-19.190; 39. Jason Holt, 42G, Jackson-19.212; 40. Landon Simon, 24, Simon-19.295; 41. Aaron Mosley, 27, Mosley-19.470; 42. Critter Malone, 71m, Spille-19.475; 43. Kevin Studley, 57, Studley-19.561; 44. Casey Riggs, 37R, Indiana Underground-19.572; 45. Ty Deckard, 38D, Bland-19.729; 46. Matt Goodnight, 39, Goodnight-19.772; 47. Todd Keen, 18, Keen-19.956; 48. Jeff Bland Jr., 38, Bland-NT; 49. Dallas Hewitt, 2H, Hewitt-NT.
USAC MOPAR NATIONAL MIDGET CAR SERIES RACE RESULTS:

September 26, 2009 – Rossburg, Ohio – Eldora Speedway – 29th Team Chevy “4-Crown Nationals”

QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Bryan Clauson, 39, Tucker-16.488; 2. Cole Whitt, 1, Kunz-16.830; 3. Dave Darland, 9, Nine Racing-16.843; 4. Tracy Hines, 05, Loyet-16.872; 5. Brad Sweet, 49, Kahne/Curb-16.881; 6. Brad Kuhn, 17B, RW-16.893; 7. Henry Clarke, 67, Kunz-16.921; 8. Darren Hagen, 3, RFMS-16.923; 9. Josh Wise, 97, Kunz-16.925; 10. Jerry Coons Jr., 11, Wilke-Pak-16.987; 11. Bobby East, 4, Klatt-17.011; 12. Shane Hmiel, 56, Hmiel-17.035; 13. Jonathan Hendrick, 68, Hendrick-17.105; 14. Shane Hollingsworth, 85, Hollingsworth-17.125; 15. Zach Daum, 5D, Daum-17.172; 16. Dakoda Armstrong, 7A, C & A-17.187; 17. Caleb Armstrong, 7C, C & A-17.275; 18. Chad Boat, 30, Boat-17.281; 19. Critter Malone, 16, Sandy-17.345; 20. Chase Barber, 90, Barber-17.376; 21. Cale Conley, 3c, Conley-17.451; 22. Donnie Trent, 91, Fellin-17.693.




harryfan
August 11, 2011 at 03:32:19 PM
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Fourteen of the midget qualifiers were faster than the best sprint car. But we all know how the track changes as the night wears on. It might have been interesting if they had intermingled the sprints with the midgets while qualifying.

new-parts
August 12, 2011 at 07:35:29 PM
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I was going to tell who won the match race between the Midget and the Sprint Car.....lol


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I was going to tell who won the match race between the Midget and the Sprint Car.....lol


What do you mean "was" Don? What now, do we have to wait for Christmas?


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SBRacing
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Of course, if you use last years results, you get the exact opposite data:

29th annual 4-Crown Nationals - Night #2
September 25, 2010

USAC SPRINT CARS

QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Jerry Coons Jr., 69, Dynamics-15.602; 2. Thomas Meseraull, 71x, Meseraull-15.715; 3. Bryan Clauson, 2B, RWB-15.739; 4. Damion Gardner, 71, DG-15.754; 5. Levi Jones, 20, Stewart-15.805; 6. Jonathan Hendrick, 68, Hendrick-15.883; 7. Tracy Hines, 4, Hines-15.894; 8. Dave Darland, 39, Goodnight-15.906; 9. Shane Hmiel, 17s, 56 Inc.-15.923; 10. Bud Kaeding, 29, BK-15.954; 11. Hunter Schuerenberg, 35, Byram-16.111; 12. Chase Stockon, 32, Stockon-16.157; 13. John Memmer, 4m, Memmer-16.177; 14. Matt Westfall, 22, Simon-16.277; 15. Jeff Bland Jr., 38s, Bland-16.292; 16. Robert Ballou, 81, MPHG-16.357; 17. Mike Brecht, 8, Wood-16.390; 18. Henry Clarke, 67, Kunz-16.424; 19. J.J. Hughes, 76, Hughes-16.467; 20. Scotty Weir, 1G, Gorby-16.476; 21. Chris Windom, 11, Walker-16.491; 22. Randy Hannagan, 77x, Hill-16.621; 23. Brett Burdette, 17B, Burdette-16.683; 24. Casey Riggs, 37, Indiana Underground-16.687; 25. Mike Miller, 82, Miller-16.749; 26. Mitch Wissmiller, 1x, Wissmiller-16.763; 27. Bill Rose, 9x, SC-16.795; 28. Matt Goodnight, 39G, Goodnight-17.212; 29. Logan Hupp, 9H, Hupp-17.245; 30. Steve Irwin, 0, Flying O-27.398; 31. Chett Gehrke, 59, Gehrke-17.465; 32. Toby Alfrey, 5, Alfrey-17.563; 33. Dallas Hewitt, 40, Hery-17.880; 34. Dwayne Spille, 71s, Spille-18.128; 35. Kirk Jeffries, 78L, Jeffries-NT.

USAC MIDGETS

QUALIFICATIONS: (Held Sept 24) 1. Bryan Clauson, 39, Tucker/Kunz/BCI-16.431; 2. Shane Hmiel, 8x, Guardian-16.452; 3. Darren Hagen, 3, RFMS-16.524; 4. Bobby East, 4, Klatt-16.734; 5. Jerry Coons Jr., 11, Wilke-Pak-16.737; 6. Levi Jones, 21, Stewart-16.773; 7. Tracy Hines, 24, Parker-16.775; 8. Brad Kuhn, 17B, RW-16.839; 9. Dave Darland, 71, Kunz-16.895; 10. Brad Sweet, 49, Kahne/Curb-16.902; 11. Matt Westfall, 14w, Bordner-17.191; 12. Zach Daum, 5, Daum-17.195; 13. Levi Roberts, 2D, Roberts-17.371; 14. Henry Clarke, 67, Kunz-17.405; 15. Jonathan Hendrick, 0, 2B-17.547; 16. Chase Barber, 90, Barber-17.944; 17. Bob Shreffler, 21s, Shreffler-19.599; 18. Mario Clouser, 06, MCM-NT; 19. Craig Heathcote, 86, Stamper-NT.

Eldora Track Records:

USAC Sprint Car (nonwing) 14.712 Jerry Coons Jr 9/23/06

USAC National Midget 15.801 Mike Hess 9/24/04

I think if you have a big hooked up track, the sprint cars horse power will kill the midget. If the track slicks off, the midget being much lighter, will start to get the advantage. On a little track like Ventura, it could be real interesting. When the USAC/CRA have been there, the fast drivers in time trials will turn in the high 11 second range with a tacky smooth track. At the fair race in hot laps, Brian Camarillo turned a lap in the 11.9 range.



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This message was edited on August 13, 2011 at 01:21:08 PM by new-parts
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Of course, if you use last years results, you get the exact opposite data:

29th annual 4-Crown Nationals - Night #2
September 25, 2010

USAC SPRINT CARS

QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Jerry Coons Jr., 69, Dynamics-15.602; 2. Thomas Meseraull, 71x, Meseraull-15.715; 3. Bryan Clauson, 2B, RWB-15.739; 4. Damion Gardner, 71, DG-15.754; 5. Levi Jones, 20, Stewart-15.805; 6. Jonathan Hendrick, 68, Hendrick-15.883; 7. Tracy Hines, 4, Hines-15.894; 8. Dave Darland, 39, Goodnight-15.906; 9. Shane Hmiel, 17s, 56 Inc.-15.923; 10. Bud Kaeding, 29, BK-15.954; 11. Hunter Schuerenberg, 35, Byram-16.111; 12. Chase Stockon, 32, Stockon-16.157; 13. John Memmer, 4m, Memmer-16.177; 14. Matt Westfall, 22, Simon-16.277; 15. Jeff Bland Jr., 38s, Bland-16.292; 16. Robert Ballou, 81, MPHG-16.357; 17. Mike Brecht, 8, Wood-16.390; 18. Henry Clarke, 67, Kunz-16.424; 19. J.J. Hughes, 76, Hughes-16.467; 20. Scotty Weir, 1G, Gorby-16.476; 21. Chris Windom, 11, Walker-16.491; 22. Randy Hannagan, 77x, Hill-16.621; 23. Brett Burdette, 17B, Burdette-16.683; 24. Casey Riggs, 37, Indiana Underground-16.687; 25. Mike Miller, 82, Miller-16.749; 26. Mitch Wissmiller, 1x, Wissmiller-16.763; 27. Bill Rose, 9x, SC-16.795; 28. Matt Goodnight, 39G, Goodnight-17.212; 29. Logan Hupp, 9H, Hupp-17.245; 30. Steve Irwin, 0, Flying O-27.398; 31. Chett Gehrke, 59, Gehrke-17.465; 32. Toby Alfrey, 5, Alfrey-17.563; 33. Dallas Hewitt, 40, Hery-17.880; 34. Dwayne Spille, 71s, Spille-18.128; 35. Kirk Jeffries, 78L, Jeffries-NT.

USAC MIDGETS

QUALIFICATIONS: (Held Sept 24) 1. Bryan Clauson, 39, Tucker/Kunz/BCI-16.431; 2. Shane Hmiel, 8x, Guardian-16.452; 3. Darren Hagen, 3, RFMS-16.524; 4. Bobby East, 4, Klatt-16.734; 5. Jerry Coons Jr., 11, Wilke-Pak-16.737; 6. Levi Jones, 21, Stewart-16.773; 7. Tracy Hines, 24, Parker-16.775; 8. Brad Kuhn, 17B, RW-16.839; 9. Dave Darland, 71, Kunz-16.895; 10. Brad Sweet, 49, Kahne/Curb-16.902; 11. Matt Westfall, 14w, Bordner-17.191; 12. Zach Daum, 5, Daum-17.195; 13. Levi Roberts, 2D, Roberts-17.371; 14. Henry Clarke, 67, Kunz-17.405; 15. Jonathan Hendrick, 0, 2B-17.547; 16. Chase Barber, 90, Barber-17.944; 17. Bob Shreffler, 21s, Shreffler-19.599; 18. Mario Clouser, 06, MCM-NT; 19. Craig Heathcote, 86, Stamper-NT.

Eldora Track Records:

USAC Sprint Car (nonwing) 14.712 Jerry Coons Jr 9/23/06

USAC National Midget 15.801 Mike Hess 9/24/04

I think if you have a big hooked up track, the sprint cars horse power will kill the midget. If the track slicks off, the midget being much lighter, will start to get the advantage. On a little track like Ventura, it could be real interesting. When the USAC/CRA have been there, the fast drivers in time trials will turn in the high 11 second range with a tacky smooth track. At the fair race in hot laps, Brian Camarillo turned a lap in the 11.9 range.



 

"On a little track like Ventura, it could be real interesting"
Tell Mr Naylor if he's interested, I'd put up a $1,000,00 to watch the the top VRA Midget and the top VRA Sprint Car go at it in a match race on the 27th.
Don


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There is no way a midget beats a sprint car heads up at Eldora. Under any circumstances. Ever. Well, maybe with a real good midget driver and a real bad sprint car driver. Using qualifying times from the 4 crown is a lousy comparison as there is a ton of cars on the track that weekend. Plus one set of cars could qualify during the day and another group later that night after the track has been reworked.




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There is no way a midget beats a sprint car heads up at Eldora. Under any circumstances. Ever. Well, maybe with a real good midget driver and a real bad sprint car driver. Using qualifying times from the 4 crown is a lousy comparison as there is a ton of cars on the track that weekend. Plus one set of cars could qualify during the day and another group later that night after the track has been reworked.



Well, does the Highly Respected Rich Cee have an opinion about whether or not a Midget beats a sprint car at Ventura?

 



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i think the midget will eat up the sprint car at ventura .just my thought . was that not thursday night thunder ? whatever happened to that ?


We need more sprint car racing at our home track.

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It's going to have to be a 2 out of three Don. There is no way that one car or the other will not have a advantage on the start. If it's even at one win apiece after two races, either we figure out a way to line them up again, or fast time wins.


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Well, does the Highly Respected Rich Cee have an opinion about whether or not a Midget beats a sprint car at Ventura?

 



Respected? Ha!

My opinion? The sprint car beats the midget. Even a 360. Why? Because (believe it or not) Ventura is a motor track. Yes, it's small but motor gets you around there. I think you need a flattish track with a crap surface like Las Vegas or Laughlin. Maybe something like Brownstown or Grandview in the east to give the midget a real shot at it. I'd say Laughlin would be the best bet. No clay, flat corners.



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This message was edited on August 14, 2011 at 08:36:55 PM by BIGFISH

I remember a Midget having the fast time at Manzy at one of the Copper's, and that was a horsepower track.

Motors run my windshield wipers, not my car.


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I remember a Midget having the fast time at Manzy at one of the Copper's, and that was a horsepower track.

Motors run my windshield wipers, not my car.



Again, not a back to back comparison as the divisions qualified at different times of day. The only true comparison is 2 cars on the track at the same time. And Manzy was less of a horsepower track than a momentum track (non-wing) Leland won a lot of Manzy races in that DSD car that had turds under the hood.

And us heathens that play in the dirt often horrify Websters by using the terms motor and engine indescriminately. Collect a penny from everyone in racing who calls it a motor and retire rich.




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Going by what Rich said, I started wondering since before the transponders we never got times on a VRA sprint car with the hard right rear. So I checked mylaps, and I think you may have a really good race if you have a match race between the fastest sprints and midgets.

The fastest VRA midget times I could find (I did a quick review of the results) were 11.983 for Brian Camarillo, and a 11.999 for Jonathon Henry. I am assuming that all midget races this season were on the VRA midget tire, but I am not sure about that when USAC runs with them.

The fastest sprint times were 12.069 for Josh Ford, and 12.092 for Troy Rutherford, which are times faster than I would have guessed with the VRA right rear. All 4 of these times occured on different days, and all in hot laps. Main event times were typically a few tenths slower, and the sprints were almost always a few tenths slower than the midgets, but they run the last main of the night.

Now if the midgets stayed lower on the track and the sprints stayed up on the cushion as they typically do, it would be anyones guess who could pull it off.



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This message was edited on August 14, 2011 at 11:28:40 PM by BIGFISH

And us heathens that play in the dirt often horrify Websters by using the terms motor and engine indescriminately. Collect a penny from everyone in racing who calls it a motor and retire rich.

I mentioned the other day on here that though my dad had passed away some time ago, he was still with me when I'm at the track . I guess he's with me on this forum as well, because that's what he'd tell me. There engines Kenny, motors drive winshields wipers, engines drive cars. I have noticed that more guy's in the open wheel community where he came from, do use the term engine more often than in most other types of racing.


And Manzy was less of a horsepower track than a momentum track (non-wing) Tell that to the average or just above driver who drove that track, and he might just tell you different... Leland was a true artist at Manzy, and not many could match his skill there. Funny, I was just telling someone how one of my favorite moments throughout my years at Manzy was watching Leland drive into one, and then watch his elbow go up and barley move until it smoothly came down coming through two. Now we did see Jeremy Sherman run second in a 360 against the 410's there on night, but the car was perfect, and he was damn near. I think it was close to, or was the last SCRA race they had there.


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At Ventura, so far the fastest Sprint car lap that I've seen this year is an 11.698, from Josh Ford. That hot lap session had 6 guys run all under a 12 second lap. It was Ford, Niemela, Jace Vanderweerd, Brian Camarillo, Brent Camarillo, and Jimmie Crawford.

Like mentioned above, Brian Camarillo has ran an 11.983 and Henry ran a 11.999




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At Ventura, so far the fastest Sprint car lap that I've seen this year is an 11.698, from Josh Ford. That hot lap session had 6 guys run all under a 12 second lap. It was Ford, Niemela, Jace Vanderweerd, Brian Camarillo, Brent Camarillo, and Jimmie Crawford.

Like mentioned above, Brian Camarillo has ran an 11.983 and Henry ran a 11.999



Yup- I definitely missed checking that day..........so besides that day, what I said above.....

And per Merriam-Webster-

Definition of MOTOR

1: one that imparts motion; specifically: prime mover

2: any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: as
a: a small compact engine
b: internal combustion engine; especially: a gasoline engine


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Yup- I definitely missed checking that day..........so besides that day, what I said above.....

And per Merriam-Webster-

Definition of MOTOR

1: one that imparts motion; specifically: prime mover

2: any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: as
a: a small compact engine
b: internal combustion engine; especially: a gasoline engine


You know as well as I do definitions change. A number of years ago you would have never seen "a small compact engine", under motor, never. When you goggle just the word motor, it's assumed it's electric, and up comes the definition for a electric motor.It was the southern boy's who made motor a common name for a internal combustion engine. You can call it whatever you want... Steppenwolf like motor too.


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