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maradamx3
June 13, 2011 at 07:11:42 PM
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What is happening to ASCS National dates? 2 races scheduled for Missouri have been removed and now the South Dakota race is gone too. The national boys don't race until mid July now. Wtf??




leadfoot23
June 13, 2011 at 08:55:51 PM
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Not sure what area of the country you live in, but the Missouri area is either already flooded or on the verge of flooding. The upper midwest is in the same situation. Tracks are losing a lot of money this season in these areas due to the constant barrage of rain.

On the flip side of the coin is the still struggling economy that the idiot-in-chief won't admit is larger than he and his crooks in Washington can handle. Oh, but they'll have us believe it's turning around so as not to throw a monkey wrench in their upcoming election. Then throw in the cost of fuel as a side dish and you have many good reasons to keep fans and race teams from going racing this year. In my humble opinion, the reason you're seeing decent car counts is directly correlated to Mother Nature. Teams haven't spent their budget and are itching to race so you're seeing good car counts in some areas while other areas are already seeing the drop in car count.

I used to live in the midwest, but recently moved out west for my job. Let me tell you, this economy issue isn't over. I speak with no data, but common sense (and a few good friends that are in the banking industry Smile ) tells me that the housing and foreclosure epidemic isn't finished. Scary little truth called shadow inventory...banks are holding on to billions (possibly trillions) of dollars worth of real estate. They are slowly selling homes to keep prices from plunging even further. However, they can't hold onto them forever. Eventually they will have to begin dumping them which will cause another catastrophic crash on housing prices. I'm glad I decided to rent, and I really hope I'm wrong about this, but according to my banker friends, we haven't seen the last of the real estate crisis.

Ok, so I'll get back off my box and just end by saying between mother nature and the struggling economy, the damn track owners and the racers can't catch a break.



sprinter25
June 13, 2011 at 09:36:37 PM
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Interesting read from today's USA Today...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2011-06-12-mortgage-default_n.htm

Way too many folks are under water in their homes, and according to this article, are choosing to let the house go rather than hope for the market to return.. The one thing that I noted from the article was a house sold for $360K just four years ago now sells for $180K - at least in Vegas.....ouch!


Chuck.....


sprintfanatic
June 13, 2011 at 09:50:32 PM
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The Missouri races were nowhere near to any flooding. Lake Ozark Speedway was closed before it started its season this year. The track now has a new promoter that, I believe, is leasing the track, but the track has not rescheduled the ASCS races. Tri-City Speedway in Pontoon Beach, Illinois also had an ASCS race on its schedule but dropped it several weeks before the scheduled date because the new dirt on the track and new concessions stands and rest rooms were not completed as scheduled due to all of the rain this spring.

I agree with you on our mighty leader but please keep this crap off racing forums. Please post it on the Oprah network or some other site that I do not visit. Thanks.



interracin
June 13, 2011 at 10:50:29 PM
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Good question on the ASCS schedule.....



tailtank
June 13, 2011 at 11:01:03 PM
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from what I hear this is just the tip of the iceberg.....


Part time racefan, part time race photographer.


jalopy 93
June 14, 2011 at 12:57:44 AM
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Posted By: tailtank on June 13 2011 at 11:01:03 PM

from what I hear this is just the tip of the iceberg.....



Main reson is fuel cost 4.00 per gallon diesel , 30,000.00 + dollar motors poor race tracks no prep

and also low pay 3,000.00 to win 700.00 for 4th 8th on back 300.00 for regional shows 2000.00 to win pay 700.00 for 3rd . Our solution we parked the car. Som regiona don' pay this well



Hawker
June 14, 2011 at 03:12:45 AM
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41 cars @ Eagle with Knoxville running the same night and LOS running a $2k to win race. Pretty damn good if you ask me... Also, the racing was pretty damn good too.
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n2sprints
June 14, 2011 at 07:37:10 AM
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Excuse me if i ramble, but, Whats wrong with the Natioal Tour? You need to look to the leadership!!!

They should hire someone with marketing skills to approach tracks about scheduling events. Maybe bring sponorship money to help tracks with the purses. local advertising to support the event.

The loss of Tommie Estes was a big mistake. One of the best race directors around.

Maybe Emmett should pump some of the Chili Bowl profits into strengthening the National Tour.




tailtank
June 14, 2011 at 09:03:42 PM
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My comments were more or less directed at maybe the ASCS should lower their sanction fee? Tracks are finding it harder and harder to get fans in the stands no matter how much they advertise. In the end the tracks lose money so in the future they my opt to skip the ASCS and their sanction fee and do an unsanctioned event. Just a thought....


Part time racefan, part time race photographer.

maradamx3
June 14, 2011 at 09:35:27 PM
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The economy, fuel, rising costs, and similar financial obstacles were the reasons I anticipated seeing as responses. If Mother Nature was a reason, or THE reason races were cancelled, I would expect to see those race cancellations posted on the ASCS website, just like rain outs. But, never saw any posts about these races that have been cancelled. They just disappeared off the schedule. Seems a bit odd; something doesn't quite sit right. There shouldn't be any shame in announcing race cancellations??

My $.02



checkered48
June 15, 2011 at 06:21:06 AM
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There never really was a "national tour" anyway. Maybe they should have just kept things at a regional level, seems they were more successful with that.




minthess
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June 15, 2011 at 07:39:56 AM
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Posted By: maradamx3 on June 13 2011 at 07:11:42 PM

What is happening to ASCS National dates? 2 races scheduled for Missouri have been removed and now the South Dakota race is gone too. The national boys don't race until mid July now. Wtf??



It seems people think I'm always a dh but here goes one more time and I'm saying this from the heart not just trying to be a smart ass. Fans in the stands are what determines true success in a series. We can make the cars as spec,affordable, regulated etc etc but that doesn't make things interesting. Ted Johnson made great things happen because when you went to a WoO show you knew you were going to see some truly balls out stuff. I mean really .....who is going to say "Hey guys a limited spec sprint car race with cars running like stuff 20 years ago is tonight. Lets drive a couple hours to go see it." Open the rules up and show who the true heroes are.


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

sprinter25
June 15, 2011 at 08:42:47 AM
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Posted By: minthess on June 15 2011 at 07:39:56 AM

It seems people think I'm always a dh but here goes one more time and I'm saying this from the heart not just trying to be a smart ass. Fans in the stands are what determines true success in a series. We can make the cars as spec,affordable, regulated etc etc but that doesn't make things interesting. Ted Johnson made great things happen because when you went to a WoO show you knew you were going to see some truly balls out stuff. I mean really .....who is going to say "Hey guys a limited spec sprint car race with cars running like stuff 20 years ago is tonight. Lets drive a couple hours to go see it." Open the rules up and show who the true heroes are.



You're kidding about Ted Johnson, right? When the WoO first started, they were about run what you brung racing, But TJ and the WoO are probably more responsible for the homogenization of sprint cars on a national level than anyone or anything else.

When the PA guys started bolting in relatively inexpensive big block motors in sprint cars, TJ and the WoO banned big blocks, forcing PA owners to step back to small blocks. Flat top wings??? - same thing. Most 410 circuits, be it the old NARC, IRA, or whomever, rewrote their rules to align with the WoO rules, whatever they were at the time, in order to allow their team to compete with the WoO boys when they came to town. There weren't anymore true "outlaw" cars because everyone that wanted to race with the WoO could without expensive changes to their equipment.

You say you want to open the rules up and to see what happens - nothing will happen. Teams will continue to build cars and motors that align with WoO rules because they choose to. It's become easier to build a competitive 410 these days.

I can remember when the USAC National guys were limited to a 305, and local cars could not compete on a TP because their 327 was too big!

And opening up the rules will only drive up the cost of competing for everyone - and isn't sprint car racing already too expensive?


Chuck.....

johngr24
June 15, 2011 at 01:48:28 PM
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Posted By: maradamx3 on June 13 2011 at 07:11:42 PM

What is happening to ASCS National dates? 2 races scheduled for Missouri have been removed and now the South Dakota race is gone too. The national boys don't race until mid July now. Wtf??



I believe the LaMonte race was pulled from the schedule when it was announced that the Lake wasn't going to be racing at all this year. IDK their reasoning, you'd have to ask the guys in charge of LA... A guess would be not making the guys pull for a one day show (which a lot of guys running the tour complained about at Eagle this past weekend after a rainout).

Something was said about the I-96 race during the racingboys broadcast Sat, but don't right off hand remember what it was..

I agree with the guy who said they need to lower the sanctioning fee for the National Tour. Anymore a track would be better off scheduling a regional race, pumping the purse up to 5,000 to win and most of the big ASCS guys are gonna show up (around the midwest anyways). And if you can do a two day show or team up with another track to pull off a weekend your gonna get a good car count with some big name drivers. But this isn't just a case with 360's.... Look at the 12,000 show Big Game Tree Stands is doing up in Minnesota. Looks to me as long as you can put up the $, sanctioning a race isn't really needed and the fans will show up to see their drivers.




checkered48
June 15, 2011 at 02:30:44 PM
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From what I gather there will not be any WoO drivers at the Jackson show. So the idea of open shows won't always get you the big names. I don't see how you can have all the regional races competeing with the "nat. tour" races. Why would anyone want to have a tour race when you can get virtually the same drivers on a regional show with way less payout? Seems to me the drivers that run the regional races are cutting their own throat by running the lesser paying shows. Like I said before, do away with the "National Tour" and stick to the regional series, it seems to be better for the pill draw series, the tracks, and fans.



petey
June 15, 2011 at 07:36:38 PM
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I'm still waiting on them to reschedule the race at The Ditch. They could very easilty do it on the 4th of July weekend or in Oct. like they did last year, as long as it doesn't fall on the Gold Crown midget show at Tri-City Smile. They always get a good local draw for that race.



JonR
June 15, 2011 at 08:01:40 PM
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Posted By: checkered48 on June 15 2011 at 06:21:06 AM

There never really was a "national tour" anyway. Maybe they should have just kept things at a regional level, seems they were more successful with that.



This was a topic when the schedule was announced. The ASCS business model is hurting. Engine costs are too high for the purses. The difference between a regional show and a national event are very minor. National drivers routinely run regional races futher making the difference smaller. Without the cancellations that we now have, the original schedule had huge open holes when there was no racing.

Instead of lowering the national event sanction fee, how about raising the regional show sanction fee. It would drop some of the regional show inventories and would make more promoters decide to have a national show.

Perhaps installing a quota system. For every national event you sanction, you can sanction two regional shows. No national event, no regional event.




David Smith Jr
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June 15, 2011 at 08:35:58 PM
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sprinter25, for some reason when you talked about the unlimited, big block motors in Pa., the old Open Wheel magazines. Those were good reading about the WoO, Ted, the Pa posse and the big blocks.

Never thought highly of sanctioning fees as that's what I thought driver entry fee at time of draw would took care of.


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cajunis#1
June 15, 2011 at 08:39:23 PM
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Posted By: jalopy 93 on June 14 2011 at 12:57:44 AM

Main reson is fuel cost 4.00 per gallon diesel , 30,000.00 + dollar motors poor race tracks no prep

and also low pay 3,000.00 to win 700.00 for 4th 8th on back 300.00 for regional shows 2000.00 to win pay 700.00 for 3rd . Our solution we parked the car. Som regiona don' pay this well



Your information is incorrct regarding the national tour pay purse. The National tour is $6000 to win and $1000 for 8th with tail back receiving $500. The regionals vary from $1500-$3000 to win.

 

The LaMonte race was dropped by the promoter when the sponsorship fell through. LOS was closed down so the race was obviously dropped. It is now under new leadership and they are already wanting to cut the sprint purse to the bone. The Granite city race, well I can't answer that or the SD race.

As far as the National tour goes, It is second only to the WoO in states visited so it, by default, is more "national" than USAC or the All-stars. And, by the way, the ASCS pays more in purse than either one of those two.


305's are the herpes of sprint cars



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