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muddy waters
May 23, 2011 at 09:00:20 AM
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This message was edited on May 23, 2011 at 09:04:50 AM by muddy waters

I see that of the 33 drivers for the running of the 100th Indy 500, 10 are American racers. I was hoping that the Indy Racing League was going to succeed. Would like to have seen this race with drivers like, Tony Stewart, J.J. Yeley, Jason Leffler, Ryan Newman,David Steele, Bud Kaeding, Steve Kinser, Sammy Swindell added to the field. Ah, be nice, I can dream.




egras
May 23, 2011 at 12:16:36 PM
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Posted By: muddy waters on May 23 2011 at 09:00:20 AM

I see that of the 33 drivers for the running of the 100th Indy 500, 10 are American racers. I was hoping that the Indy Racing League was going to succeed. Would like to have seen this race with drivers like, Tony Stewart, J.J. Yeley, Jason Leffler, Ryan Newman,David Steele, Bud Kaeding, Steve Kinser, Sammy Swindell added to the field. Ah, be nice, I can dream.



You can see a race like that. It is later that night and 42 American drivers will be passing a Columbian! Ha Ha!! Just kidding. Our American drivers have lost interest in Indy cars. Not that we don't have enough talent, just that more are interested in racing stock cars after they cut their teeth.



harryfan
May 23, 2011 at 02:15:29 PM
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It's the money!!!

Besides, I doubt that Tony Stewart could fit in a Indycar anymore.

Americans have changed in the last few decades. They are cheering more for brands (Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Toyota) or individuals (Dale Jr., Jeff Gordon, Kyle Bush, dare I say Danica)rather than the pure spectical of speed. Besides Indy has become a spec car class.




sprinter25
May 23, 2011 at 02:21:59 PM
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Man, I haven't seen this complaint in almsot a year!

Can't we grt back to the Posse vs. the WoO argument already????


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Michael_N
May 23, 2011 at 04:07:09 PM
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Soon to be 11 if Andretti buys the 41 Foyt car for Ryan Hunter-Reay. I'm all for Americans in the big show but Ryan wasn't fast enough to make it and does not deserve to be there. Don't do it AJ!!!!



madsen
May 23, 2011 at 08:57:51 PM
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Say what you want about Indy Car racing but it's fast and dangerous racing, better than watching stick and ball stuff IMHO. Still, one of the great spectacles in all of racing, right up there with nitro drag cars doing 325mph in a thousand feet,is Indy cars going around those four 90 degreee corners (no banking) that are only 400 yards long and the car doesn't drop below 222mph.

PS winged sprint cars getting around 1/3 mile ovals in just over 9 seconds ranks right up there too.


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MRZERO
May 23, 2011 at 09:14:29 PM
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I believe there is 14 degrees of banking in the corners at Indy.



filtalr
May 23, 2011 at 09:43:08 PM
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Soon to be 11 if Andretti buys the 41 Foyt car for Ryan Hunter-Reay. I'm all for Americans in the big show but Ryan wasn't fast enough to make it and does not deserve to be there. Don't do it AJ!!!!



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Sprinter 79
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May 23, 2011 at 10:13:01 PM
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Why is it that Americans flock to dummied down forms of racing only to cheer that it is American. Nascar runs a formula that is not friendly to foreign cars, so is it really so great to be American if you have to force the issue. Yes, there are only ten Americans in the 500, but who cares? Shouldn't this race be about the drivers, the cars, the speed, and the history. There have been foreign drivers there since 1911. Look at the winners, foreign cars and drivers are there from the start. How about we cheer the fact that the greatest OPEN WHEEL race in the world takes place in AMERICA!!!!!! I don't care, you can have your fender bender cars and I will stay with the tradition, history, speed, and excitement that is the Greatest Spectacle in Racing, right here in Indiana. And may an American driver WIN the race! Now that would be something to cheer for. Smile
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May 23, 2011 at 11:06:52 PM
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Posted By: madsen on May 23 2011 at 08:57:51 PM

Say what you want about Indy Car racing but it's fast and dangerous racing, better than watching stick and ball stuff IMHO. Still, one of the great spectacles in all of racing, right up there with nitro drag cars doing 325mph in a thousand feet,is Indy cars going around those four 90 degreee corners (no banking) that are only 400 yards long and the car doesn't drop below 222mph.

PS winged sprint cars getting around 1/3 mile ovals in just over 9 seconds ranks right up there too.



I'd love to see a 1/3 mile track that fast. Too bad I never will because it doesn't exist.


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ILracer83
May 23, 2011 at 11:40:52 PM
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Posted By: madsen on May 23 2011 at 08:57:51 PM

Say what you want about Indy Car racing but it's fast and dangerous racing, better than watching stick and ball stuff IMHO. Still, one of the great spectacles in all of racing, right up there with nitro drag cars doing 325mph in a thousand feet,is Indy cars going around those four 90 degreee corners (no banking) that are only 400 yards long and the car doesn't drop below 222mph.

PS winged sprint cars getting around 1/3 mile ovals in just over 9 seconds ranks right up there too.



Is there even a weekly sprintcar track that claims to be a 1/3 mile anymore?



buzz rightrear
May 24, 2011 at 01:54:21 AM
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Posted By: MRZERO on May 23 2011 at 09:14:29 PM

I believe there is 14 degrees of banking in the corners at Indy.



it is 9 degrees.


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Posted By: ILracer83 on May 23 2011 at 11:40:52 PM

Is there even a weekly sprintcar track that claims to be a 1/3 mile anymore?



Attica, Fremont and Eagle come to mind.


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Posted By: Sprinter 79 on May 23 2011 at 10:13:01 PM
Why is it that Americans flock to dummied down forms of racing only to cheer that it is American. Nascar runs a formula that is not friendly to foreign cars, so is it really so great to be American if you have to force the issue. Yes, there are only ten Americans in the 500, but who cares? Shouldn't this race be about the drivers, the cars, the speed, and the history. There have been foreign drivers there since 1911. Look at the winners, foreign cars and drivers are there from the start. How about we cheer the fact that the greatest OPEN WHEEL race in the world takes place in AMERICA!!!!!! I don't care, you can have your fender bender cars and I will stay with the tradition, history, speed, and excitement that is the Greatest Spectacle in Racing, right here in Indiana. And may an American driver WIN the race! Now that would be something to cheer for. Smile


Agreed!!! I wonder if the fans were talking about this back in 1913 when Jules Goux from France won, or when Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill (from Scotland, and Britan) and the Eruopean

rear end revolution came to Indy? The only difference is the names of the drivers and the cars are a lot faster than they were back then. The Indy 500 is and always has been the best 33 drivers in the world. Yes I would love to have seen Sammy put the Pontiac in the show in 83 (I believe), and any Kinser not just make the show, but win (Sheldon, Steve, Mark or even Kraig), would have loved to seen Tony Stewart win a couple of times, I could go on and on, but the fact of the matter is, and drivers have said many times (AJ Foyt, too) you have to catch several breaks to win Indy. Keep in mind Foyt could be only a 2x winner if Sachs doesn't have tire problems in 61 and Johncock doesn't throw a rod with less than 20 laps to go in 77. Don't mean to go on a long rant...but the two sports weekends I clear my calendar for are the Indy 500, and the NCAA Final Four.



Michael_N
May 24, 2011 at 09:50:08 AM
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Posted By: filtalr on May 23 2011 at 09:43:08 PM

Done deal .... $500,000 "Sold American!"



Bummer. I always cheer for Foyt cars but this year I just can't do it. If Ryan has a good car on Sunday I hope he doesn't get any higher than 10th or so as it would be TRAGIC if he happened to win the thing. I think Bruno is actually the better choice for the 500 but money talks and there ain't a thing anybody can do about it. Hopefully Bruno gets to run a car later in the year or got a nice big check for his troubles.....

 

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Some Guy In Texas
May 24, 2011 at 10:20:40 AM
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I've been a fan of the IRL since it's start. At TMS... the IRL race has traditionally been the best racing on the schedule. Follow the leader Nascar... or side by side at 230mph IRL... hmmmmm...

In America a large % of people want to see the best American drivers... which is pretty much the textbook definition of affirmative action. No interest in the best people for the job... don't care who pays for the team to be able to field a car... it's all about providing "jobs" to Americans.

Never thought I'd type that paragraph... but I just did.

The IRL and Champ Car before it and Cart before it... they're trying to put the best drivers out there regardless of where they're from. If some cat from Somalia is the best on 4 wheels... get him out there I say.

Helio Castroneves is hardly American and few people didn't enjoy his enthusiasm and charisma when he was climbing fences. Do we send him home so that we can see Ed Carpenter brush the wall on lap 12 and retire? Jerret Shroeder, Buzz Calkins and about 5 dozen drivers come to mind as nice American boys that aren't good enough.

Put the best drivers out there. Get over their nationality. Enjoy.



harryfan
May 24, 2011 at 03:50:39 PM
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I think that Helio has become a naturalized US citizen. As much as we bellyache about the US, it is still the place of choice to immigrate to. Legally or illegally.

petey
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Posted By: ILracer83 on May 23 2011 at 11:40:52 PM

Is there even a weekly sprintcar track that claims to be a 1/3 mile anymore?



Pevely is a 1/3rd mile. It's track record is almost in the 9 sec. barrier (10.180 I think). That's hauling ass around that place. Never been to Eagle but it looks a little big to be a 1/3rd.




madsen
May 24, 2011 at 05:41:25 PM
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Yes, it is 9 degrees in the corners, which we in dirt land would call flat as a pancake. Helio should be in prison but thanks to a Florida O.J-type jury, he walked. The rest of us would be in jail, ignorance as an excuse with the IRS--a joke.

River City Speedway in Grand Forks is 1/3, think the record is 9.23, maybe Jason Meyers, not sure.

Eagle definitely looks bigger than Grand Forks. Danny and Donny Schatz were testing the LS7 at Minot,ND's Sunday nite show.

Have any WoO drivers "bought" their rides with either bring sponsorship dollars or family money? It's commonplace now in F1 and Indy Cars, that is why in Indy Car racing we have so many South Americans, they get some government-owned company to bankroll them. "Look at us, we can't feed our citizens or give them indoor johns, but we has us a Indy car racer. In F1, team Williams (hard up for cash) dumped youngster Nico Hulkenberg who got them their first pole position last year in Brazil, and replaced him with Pastor Maldanado who brought along 25 million Euros. Maldanado then thanked Williams for "choosing" him. 25 million times.


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It is a very sad reality in motorsports today at almost every level. Money talks. Do you really think that Dale Earnhardt Jr. would have a ride if he was not the most popular driver. NO! He brings in $$$$$$$$. There is no difference. When a series costs the $$$$$ to race in that F1 or Indy does, money must be the motivating factor. Hell, isn't it something like 48,000,000 just to get a shot at a starting spot in F1. And that does not mean that you will get to race, that just gets you into the lottery for a spot. So yes, money does talk. But at the end of the day the driver must drive the car. Sorry folks, not just anyone can climb in and handle 230mph. Are they all the best? Probably not, but do you have 25mil to throw your hat in the ring? Probably not!
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