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Somthing I have been thinking about is the 5 dollor a gallon gas that the experts are predicting. If this happens then I see local car counts dropping off a 1/4 to a 1/3 of normal. What will be the first to go is the teams that struggle to get to the track in the first place. Alot of drivers will choose to stay closer to home.

If gas prices stay the same for the rest of the year then I see a reduction in cars for next year by the same amount or slighty more.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

It's Mick Cornett's fault.

Sorry, couldn't help but take a friendly shot.

lol

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Between the tow vehicle and the race car, last season I was spending an average of $75.00 a weekend (in a gas guzzling diesel) to pull from the city to Meeker and back.....that was just in fuel cost. Hate to see what it's gonna be like this year

Chesapeake is converting 700 of their fleet trucks to compressed natural gas. CNG is about $1.50 or less per equivalant gallon to gasoline.

It has been proven that the American continent has enough oil supply to serve us for the next 2,000 years! Yep, 2k (2,000 years) -

Yet in a time when we have around 26 refineries, which did huge expansions in the last few years, and while we have better fuel economy( so to speak), gasoline is going to try to get to $5 a gallon, THEN IT WILL DROP BELOW $4 A GALLON SO THAT WE WILL BE SATISFIED WITH PAYING $3+ FOR A GALLON OF GASOLINE. WORKS EVERY TIME WHEN THE PRICES NEED TO GO HIGHER.

I keep hearing about explosion fears on CNG, and yes that scared me too. So I did some checking and found this

first thing I found

second video I found

third video--TNT!!

In case you heard about the CNG car that exploded in Malaysia, turns out it had an acetylene tank in there, and somehow the heat caused that to explode, but the CNG tank was fine!

check it out

Natural Gas ALREADY EXISTS!! And there is no need to drive up food costs, unless we sit on our ass and let it happen anyway.

Ethanol ( I used to think this "IT" takes more energy to produce, and basically ends up as government subsidized food burning. ( but we will skinneir since we will not be able to afford to eat like we do now--nah-sa- bad I guess.) I need to starve anyway, to heavy now.

In the words of George Jones

" Don't forget me friend, I am the cold hard truth"

If no one wishes to change, racing could slowly like it has been, OR your replacements will do it.

Last but not least-

Your daddies and Granpas made changes when 'necessity' called for it. Some gave their lives for it. You will too, when you're backed in a corner.

I just love this one!

I am right now going back and forth between a retired Fire Cheif who will tell it like he sees it, and my dad who worked for ONG for 37 years and for 15 or so years was a field superintendant and HE DEALT WITH HIGH GAS PRESSURE NATURAL GAS LINES.

We all know natural gas will explode. We know that.

But what I'm finding is it has to leak and fill up an area (without anyone knowing if it's accidental), and then ignite --leaving us with a huge eplosion.

But, when engines inhale the air we breathe, and shoot flames out of the exhaust, well then it is only reasonable that any unburned natural gas in the air is burned away without you even knowing about it.

In fact, it ALREADY HAPPENS,.

By the way

I always hear this line

"It ain't gonna happen".

If you are the gods of your own destiny that you choose, then you would be right,

but you're not, and never have been. You were only a partner with oppurtunity, and the Grace of God.

And now my complaint about the CNG industry and how they relate to us on the issue of converting cars to CNG.

I "hear" about CNG powered race cars in Europe, and a few drag racing efforts, but I have to dig for them.

It really bothers me that the CNG industry acts as if it is LAZY ( YES DAMMITT, I SAID LAZY) when it comes to marketing to guys like us.

Unless they wish to keep demand lower than gasoline, which would allow companies like Chesapeake to use cheap CNG while we PAYED for gasoline- or they have been slow to talk to us. I don't know.

This car came through last year I think, without much fanfare

and here

I have a CNG honda civic and it costs me $8.00 to fill up from empty. It will go 160 miles on a tank. not to shabby.

Now, about the oil companies gouging us.

they've always done it..but to their credit, gasoline was the cheapest way to go for the longest time.

In the 1960's Kennedy was looking to cut the "oil depletion allowance" for big oil. Oil depletion allowance worked like this-

By the time the finished product made it to the market, competition required their prices be low enough to sell at a reasonable pace along with others, so that the 'shelflife' is fresh and still have a modest profit. Taxes added on, and a modest profit for the middle men including the gas station owner gave you the final selling price.

The "profit, butter on the bread" was the OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE. As the oil was drained out of the wells, it was considered 'loss of resource', SO the oil companies that ACTUALLY OWNED THE MINERAL RIGHTS- GOT A %27 REDUCTION OF TAXES BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF OIL TAKEN OUT THE GROUND THEY OWNED.

Tax money that they did not pay in through this plan, THE MAN ON THE STREET PAYED. Look it up.

Before he was killed, Kennedy had it negotiated down to %12 . I believe, this entire oil depletion tax plan, was a model for whatever the point is to relying on foriegn oil, and high oil prices that would happen here- even IF we only relied on domestic oil.

Foriegn or domestic, the profits game is still going to push higher for gasoline. Hurting our economy, when there is room to do it.

Here's the twist on pricing that bothers me-

IF the whole nation converted over to CNG, the price would still be better than gasoline.

But if the whole world converted over, CNG would climb to "try to" reach gasoline prices(like propane did), while gasoline prices would stall and let CNG prices to catch up. I think this is maybe why the CNG industry is slow to market heavily to people like us. Not sure about it, but greed demands it.

And for those of you that were looking at "Peanut Oil" for your deisel trucks, well..... It's awesome when you have time to boil the french fry oil and filter the impurities out, and go to New Orleans for less than $10. But when you are short on time(you have to think about what your time is worth, unless you have nothing to lose), clean fresh peanut oil is just as expensive as Diesel, and some say it's even higher.

In the political arenas, CNG has more overall clout than ethanol, methanol, etc. Only OIL has more clout, it has money and power. Oklahoma relies heavily on it's tax monies from NATURAL GAS! Yep. HAD WE DONE A CONVERSION LIKE IT YEARS AGO, AND GOTTEN A LOT OF PUBLICITY , WE MIGHT STILL HAVE FAIRGROUNDS TRACK at May Avenue. Power could have dictated it. It's about the money people, the money. Money loves Power, Power loves Money. The object is "more money coming in than goes out".

CNG is like the little sister to oil, it comes from the well too, the infrastructure is already in place (leading right into yo howse!), and yet it burns cleaner, with far fewer emissions, AND IS FREAKIN CHEAPER HOSS!

Lower fuel costs for us to begin with, setting an example while we do it, would make a statement if the world heard about it.

WHAT "WE" BRING TO THE TABLE.......................IS THE WAYS WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT WORK. We are the kinds of people that will put the REAL into the idea. That is ours, always has been when ya git down tew it Bubba. Always has been.................. Oklahoma City has always had that gift, they never 'needed' los angeles to tell them 'how' it had to be. Los Angeles learned from Oklahoma City many times.

I'm done, I have enough missions in my life already.

The price of gas and the payouts are one reason I am just going to run the big shows at Clinton which is 5 races.