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There is a big push in this state to try to get all tracks on board with the same rules to make car counts and everything go smoother. Modified guys, there is a push to get USRA sanctioned in here and there is also another little push to get IMCA in here.

But it is you the racers that would be affected by whatever happens. Thus, I would like to see your vote/opinion.

Please vote above on which best applies.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

IMCA all the way

i would say imca but i dont like the fact that my rear mount bell housing and starter becomes a high dollar boat anchor.. in most cases around here imca will only cost us more money

Imca may cost some at first,but if tracks will stay with Imca it will save in the future.the new guy wanting to move up to modified will have to spend less and thats whats needed to bring car counts back up.

I think the IMCA rules would be better for someone like me who would love to race a modified but isn't ready to spend $12k+ on an engine. I thought the bert's and brinn's were allowed in IMCA but I could be WAY wrong. I see how all the people who have modified's already and have the big engines on the floor wouldn't like it much but that's why I think it would be something you could phase in over the course of 2-3 years.

48miniracer berts/brinns legal but not the aftermarket bellhousing..imca says no rear mount pumps, starter on block..

I would say prolly 90% of mods would not be imca legal due to bellhousing, or quick changes in oklahoma..thats alot of drivers spending alot of money.

be good to phase in tho like stated by 48miniracer

I don't see the advantage gained w/ a quickchange. The only small one gained might be an even more fine tuned gear but that is quickly defeated w/ the rotating mass increase that a quickchange brings.

I would prefer that if the tracks were to introduce the IMCA rules they would still allow the quickchange rearends. A lot of the drivers w/ the big motors most likely have one. In my opinion a good phase into IMCA rules(also including quickchange rearends) would be simple.

IMCA car min weight 2350 lb w/ driver after race

Outlaw Modified min weight 2500 w/ driver after race w/ 75 lbs in front of firewall w/ cast heads. 100 lbs w/ alluminum heads

Driver's have 2 years until everyone has to be IMCA legal and race under whatever the weight required for an IMCA car.

48 mini i see what your trying to say,my experience is when you add weight to those big motor cars,your just helping them hookup better,especially on the dryslick Oklahoma tracks.But i agree there needs to be some sort of phase in.

USRA for us. IMCA is two steps back for us. The crate motor and chip changes will help keep the cost down. After a couple years, make the crate mandatory, but leave the rest of the car alone. If you really want to make a difference put mods on a harder tire as well as a crate motor.

John Case

I think IMCA is a step back and will cost alot of racers money(FYI i raced 4-5times last year and i for sure dont want to spend an extra $1500 to change back to IMCA rules). with a modified most people would be better off with a motor that has 550hp and handled like a dream rather than trying to squeeze every hp out and pushing the thing to its breaking point. most tracks wont hold over 600hp come feature time. you can build a competitive reliable motor for 7-8k. I think USRA and NCRA are decent rules

Good conversation that many of you are feeling but not posting on internet. Let me see if there is some light I can shed on this.

1. Dusty says : If imca bodie rules would come up with Ncra and USRA rules thier wouldent be no big deal to run with anyone of the series and far as the quick change goes it a no brainer its a lot cheaper to run than building 9 inch gears!

2. Glen says: dont like the fact that my rear mount bell housing and starter becomes a high dollar boat anchor

3. Glen other comment : would say prolly 90% of mods would not be imca legal due to bellhousing, or quick changes in oklahoma..thats alot of drivers spending alot of money.

Ok here is what of some IMCA will let us do in Oklahoma to help phase the change. I did this in Liberal for two years and it worked.
1. Dusty all we need to do is pull the spoilers. That's it thats all. The body rules are really nothing to worry about. Everyone of you goes thru side panels and rear fenders and sometimes tops so when tht happens get IMCA Legal parts - guess what they are the same price or even cheaper. Sooner or later you are legal. Next things is you want a quick change........Ok for Enid. All you must do is declare the gear you are going to use that night when you come thru the gate and then do not change it without showing me the broken gears. See how easy this is?

2. Glen your rear pumps were one of your concerns..........what we did to phase in was to add weight to the left front of your car if you have rear mounted pumps. You had to place the weight in front of the radiator left of a centerline of the frame horns (drivers side in other words). 25 lbs is what we did. We also put 50 lbs un front if they had a roller cam. It worked and everyone was happy in the end.

Can you hear it? All the "That won't work!?" "I am not going to add that weight to my car and ruin my setup." " I need that spoiler for the other tracks"

Excuses won't help racing, only cost saving action will work.

It does work with this way and no one is trying to get you to spend a ton of money.

These allowances won't get you into an IMCA track that does not recognize these allowances this would be for tracks that are trying to help you get to IMCA.

Tires is also a question, what we did was let you use the same tires you have on fronts but not no rears till like July 1st.

There is a way and this is the direction the whole US is going to why would you not want to run your modified with the most sucessful recognized track rules in the USA?

Thanks,
Ed Beckley
Enid Speedway

So what your are saying is if you run a roller cam and a rear mount pump you have to add 75 lbs to the left front of the car?

Yeup that's right.

That is what we did at Liberal for two years and it works.

IMCA rules at enid! i'm lovin it