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David Smith Jr
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April 07, 2007 at 08:47:08 PM
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Would you support a crate division?
Option's Votes  
1) yes for street stocks 11 39 %
2) yes for the pro stocks 5 18 %
3) No 12 43 %
Total Votes 28  

I really don't know much about them, only from what I have read, but all the rage now seems to be the crate motors. I have heard that you can't tell a difference between a regular late model and a crate late model and the races are maybe even closer.

Would you support, either as driver or fan, a crate division for the pro stocks or factory stocks or a switch to crate motors for one or both those classes?


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The Flash32
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April 07, 2007 at 10:22:18 PM
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Street or Factory? Poll says one thing but I'm sure you mean the other! lol


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Chuckie
April 08, 2007 at 09:41:23 AM
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I don't believe that will help . People that can't afford 1500.00 for heads can't afford 3500.00 plus for a create motor. I think the economy is to blame.




MAD DASH
April 08, 2007 at 11:05:05 AM
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A crate motor for a factory could range from $1500 to $2500 and thats oil pan to intake. The one for $2500 is a GM crate racing motor and I believe it comes with a dist. A 400 horse GM crate moter for the pro-stocks would be $5000 and that is also oil pan to intake. Nascar short track series, ASA, and there is a crate late model series that run them also there are several tracks going to this for there late models. It has saved there late model class from getting out of hand. The current cost of racing is skyrocketing. I heard someone last year in the factory stocks ran an $11,000 motor. I saw a short block at an engine builders shop and there wasn't a dang thang legal about it, other than it started out as a stock motor. This all has to stop somewhere, my opinion is to run crate motors to to eliminate the cheaters and leave it up to drivers and set-up. JMO

Mike G
April 08, 2007 at 11:26:46 AM
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Gee! here is a new idea. Maybe a promoter will inforce the rules already written. Then you don't need new rules.What I'm I thinking, Promoters don"t care about racers or fans till they lose them.



MAD DASH
April 08, 2007 at 12:10:37 PM
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Inforcing the rules cuts into the little fatman"s time getting out of there with his loot. So why would he bother checking motors, he still got paid. Running crate motors would eliminate teardowns and make it harder for the cheaters to cheat.I don't have a problem paying $2500 for a motor, as long as I know were ALL running the same motor.


champsprint50
April 08, 2007 at 02:22:03 PM
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This message was edited on April 08, 2007 at 02:23:29 PM by champsprint50

I still say go to an engine claim and you can spend money on your motor if you want but you take a chance in losing it. That way there is no checking of the motors and Lanny can leave with his loot and it will lead to evening the field. Trouble right now with using a crate motor what do you do with the motor you have now. You go to Meeker or some other track that doesn't have a crate motor rule and you really loose cars. That is another thing all the tracks in this area need to go to the same rules and enforce whether it be crate motors, motor claims or the rules you have now. If the Mods would go back to a motor claim I would have a car.



OKCFan12
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April 08, 2007 at 04:51:39 PM
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not too dure bout crate motors...........but somewhere something needs to be done.

I dont think guys would mind the 3500$ for crate motors as long as they KNEW that the rest had them too. Think bout the guys who can afford 1500$ heads but don't bother wasting their time keepin up with the guys with big checkbooks.


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MAD DASH
April 08, 2007 at 05:14:58 PM
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dirtrack29&28
April 08, 2007 at 06:50:24 PM
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Yep, When we lost the claim rules the racing at the state fair (? is it) got black flag. I can afford the car but not more than one $2500 motor a season. And if you blow-up, what do you now do with the good part. Let's get the claimer rule back and let it live forever.


That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.

nonwing bill
April 08, 2007 at 11:02:04 PM
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Who cares?



OKCFan12
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April 09, 2007 at 03:47:00 AM
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Posted By: nonwing bill on April 08 2007 at 11:02:04 PM

Who cares?



fans who want their moneys worth when they go to SFS. Some of us feel some rule changes could be made to help benefit the program.


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pjluhm
April 09, 2007 at 08:48:28 AM
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i dont think a crate motor is necessary we just need to have strickter inspections. these guys winning week in and week out. how much are they really checking. popping the the hood and say looks good to me. not enless they win three a features. now there needs to be some changes but i dont know if crate motors is the way to go. besides if we go to crate motors lanny will just find some way to benefit him and put money in his pocket.



bobby_springer
April 09, 2007 at 01:50:32 PM
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I think they should go to sealed crate engines in both classes. I think it would improve the racing and car count in both classes. This would get the factory stocks back to where people could afford to race them. The only way to do this would be to let the racers know about half way through the season at least that they would be running them the next year. You couldn't wait and decide in the middle of winter to do this. They would have to give the people chances to get rid of their old motors and save to get a new crate engine. I think they would go back to seeing 50 cars a night in the factory stocks like they used to.


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David Smith Jr
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April 09, 2007 at 02:43:41 PM
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I should have specified that I am not just talking SFS but all tracks in the state of Oklahoma and get al on the same rules. This would cut out all the classes of cars that are at each track in some sort of fashion as below:

Factory stocks, pro stocks, street stocks, hobby stocks, pure stocks, thumpers.

You have all of those divisons of cars where you could easily condense all those divisions into one with either a crate motor or a spec head. Again, this isn't just limited to SFS but all tracks around the state. It can be like the modifieds where you just load up and go race and fans don't have to wonder how this class is different than what they see at their home track.

If you want a starter (per say) class then run mini stocks. Some people like them and some people use that time to go take care of business but it does seem like it is a good starter class or division for those who don't have the money but wanna race.

Just random thoughts on this end and rather a topic starter.

 


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champsprint50
April 09, 2007 at 02:55:21 PM
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How many people running Factory Stock can afford 2500.00 to 3500.00 for a crate motor. If you have a problem or blow it up you have to take it back to the same guy that built the crate motor. Right now you have approx. 20 Factory Stocks every Friday night but if you would have to have a crate motor I think it would knock your field in half. The thing that needs to be done is to make the field more even without spending a bunch of money and the cars will come back. With the price of gas and race parts you cannot be spending more money. Factory Stocks are supposed to be an entry level racing car. If you have crate motors you still have to have somebody police them and make sure nobody is breaking that seal. Once again I say go to a CLAIM



champsprint50
April 09, 2007 at 03:05:13 PM
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Right now you have Brill, Enid, Elk City, Ada, Outlaw all running Limited Mods. I think all of them are running different rules. They need to get together and make 1 set of rules. If they did that there would be more cars and you wouldn't have to worry about if you were legal at another track. Man I have too much time on my hands without racing the last 2 weeks and haveing Monday off from work and I am bored. LOL.



20stewart
April 09, 2007 at 03:35:26 PM
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This message was edited on April 09, 2007 at 03:52:00 PM by 20stewart
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Posted By: David Smith Jr on April 09 2007 at 02:43:41 PM

I should have specified that I am not just talking SFS but all tracks in the state of Oklahoma and get al on the same rules. This would cut out all the classes of cars that are at each track in some sort of fashion as below:

Factory stocks, pro stocks, street stocks, hobby stocks, pure stocks, thumpers.

You have all of those divisons of cars where you could easily condense all those divisions into one with either a crate motor or a spec head. Again, this isn't just limited to SFS but all tracks around the state. It can be like the modifieds where you just load up and go race and fans don't have to wonder how this class is different than what they see at their home track.

If you want a starter (per say) class then run mini stocks. Some people like them and some people use that time to go take care of business but it does seem like it is a good starter class or division for those who don't have the money but wanna race.

Just random thoughts on this end and rather a topic starter.

 



Never happen, tracks want to make all cars their own. Look at Lanneys USA modified and E Modified rules he has for his three tracks. OK e-mods just for the bowl!!!




MAD DASH
April 09, 2007 at 04:41:12 PM
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A GM crate motor for factorys is a 350 horse from pan to intake including a dist. is $2500. A short block from Midwest Motorsports with NO oilpan, intake, dist., heads, timing chain cover or valve covers with breathers is $2400. I think the crate motor even comes with a water pump. All of that assembled for $2500. They would just have to contract out the rebuilds to 2-3 engine builders only. You would not have to spend $2500 for another motor, It would cost the amount to rebuild it back to crate specs.

champsprint50
April 09, 2007 at 05:45:04 PM
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This message was edited on April 09, 2007 at 05:49:03 PM by champsprint50

What happens if you have a engine builder that sponsors you but he isn't the one building the crate motors or isn't on the list to rebuild the the crate motors? Not only that whos going to make sure you don't cheat on a crate motor?





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