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The guarteed purse for the 360 has been dropped to 300 for first and 200 for second and 150 for third and 125 for fourth and 100 to start! !i know its hard to beleive but thats the way it is! i see in jackson they had 8, 305,s and they pay 400 to win and the 360 pay 1000 with 13 cars i wonder how one track can do it and another cant! alot of unhappy drivers in the imca right now!!!!!!!

Boy thats bad I think it's time to stick a fork in that IMCA deal there done.

JRK are you reading this the umss is looking pretty good for next year and I would look for some of the IMCA cars on Friday

what is the tire rule and how much is the pay out?and yes i think they are done also they dont seem to care! they said they would just drop the sprints! no one can race a 360 for that payout! i think it does look good for umss and jackson! its the last year on their lease at redwood falls so maybe next year we will have some one who wants sprints!!

Per UMSS site: http://www.umsprints.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=3 (Many of the shows have paid more.)

• Win: $700
• 2nd: $500
• 3rd: $450
• 4th: $400
• 5th: $325
• 6th: $275
• 7th: $225
• 8th: $200
• 9th: $175
• 10th-14th: $150
• 15th-20th: $125
• Total Purse: $4750

Rules: http://www.umsprints.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1

if would be nice if the people that run redwood would call some other tracks and find out how they can pay so much no matter how many cars are there!!! before all the sprints are gone! i see the imca only get 600 to win in jackson and the 305 race for 1,000 hmmm wonder why that is?? it is like they never want to pay the imca anything! are the 305 that much more to run. the stands are full where does all the money go i wonder! elko had over 20 cars a night but still only 600 to win yup i think imca is on the way out!

The Arlington and Redwood Speedways are great facalities, have well groomed race tracks. IMCA has many very successful classes with many registered drivers. The question is why does the number of IMCA Sprints vary so much? The Jackpot Junction Tour is well attended. Is it the payout? Basing payout on car count seems logical especially when the car count goes up. But there some Teams that may not show up if they think the pay out is going to be less. For RaceTracks to survive they need customers, Racers bring fans, Fans invite sponsorship.

[maybe since operating a sprint car is a business that loses money we should ask for a goverment bailout]

U.S. Army IMCA Sprint Cars

25 cars

1st $1000 2nd $600 3rd $500 4th $400 5th $300 6th $250 7th $200 8th $150 9th-25th $100.

21-24 cars

1st $800 2nd $500 3rd $400 4th $300 5th $200 6th $150 7th-24th $100

20 cars

1st $600 2nd $400 3rd $300 4th $250 5th $200 6th $150 7th-20th $100

16-19 cars

1st $500 2nd $350 3rd $300 4th $200 5th $150 6th $100 7th-19th $100

15 -10 cars

1st $400 2nd $300 3rd $250 4th $200 5th $150 6th $100 7th-15th $100

9-5 cars

1st $300 2nd $200 3rd $150 4th $125 5th-9th $100

4-1 car(s)

1st $200 2nd $150 3rd $100 4th $100

we had 24 cars our first night at Elko then 20 some the second night 2 days later we went to arlington and had 4 cars, it was a 4 car feature that cost the track $1600 to have. I have bent over backwards and pulled a few teeth to get the above pay schedule it was guarenteed $400 to win but after that race it had to be changed.

Bob and Susan went threw allot of work to get the 2 day show at Elko for the IMCA cars Susan has DR appointments everyday so they had to go home go to the dr and come back. Bob, Susan, Levi, and other Arlington track workers burnt themselfes out working at the 2 day show at elko then we come to our weekly show and have 4 cars it was a slap in the face we were all let down by our sprint car drivers.

What is the awnser???

do we drop sprints

drop the series so we have a weekly show

go to running every other week.

I don't know but I do know we will never have a 4 car $1,600 feature again. Im open for any suggestions and if any one would like a sprint car I have an 01 j&j 39 inch race ready for $7000

thanks have a great day

If anyone cares to know what the Arlington raceway family has been going through you can go to http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/brettallen/

funny cause i heard elko was only 600 to win with 24 cars both nights!!!! and for the jackson the 305 get 1000 no mateer how many cars are there! they get 400 every sat no matter how many are there!!! i just think the imca drivers are getting the shaft!! if there is only 8 or 9 cars on a sat or sunday you cant break even for the night there have to pay to put on a show thats not right . where does all the money go???? the stands are full ! so you are saying the drivers have to pay their own purse! i think there will be alot drivers that will not show up any more! dont get me wrong no body out there can make a living driving sprints but come on they are the ones putting on a show thay should get something!! i think the umss will take over i know a few people that will be going on friday and not on sat!! i wish i had a answer for you but dropping the pay is not going to work!! i dont know any 1 who will haul 75 or 100 miles to race for 300 or 200 or 100 thats just crazy!!

Racing is a business for you. Just like any other business, it takes money to make money. Poor payouts won't bring cars, which won't bring fans. Good reliable payouts will get you both. Payout looks good on paper but the reality of getting over 25 cars at a weekly show isn't going to happen. If you think dropping the pay will do any good, think again. And according to you former pay schedule, payout for 4 cars is $1150, not $1600! As a fan, I'd rather watch 4 sprint cars run than seeing 20 of the new hornets.

The payout for mods is either under 25 or over, not broke into 7 or 8 different payouts. WHY? Will the payout drop for them or just the sprints? I do remember a night or two this season with 5 mods running the feature. Allenator should know the the cost of running a sprint, it's not cheap. By the way, where's your car? Do you think any cars will travel to your tracks not knowing the pay until they get there and do a car count? Not going to happen.

Why cut the pay and drive away the cars you do have? Maybe the pay should go up or at least stay the way it is? Raise the ticket prices. You have spent all season trying to get fans in the seats. Free addmission from zip codes, free addmission for the unemployed. Take care of the cars and the fans will be there.

I race a sprint car in the Fargo area and often travel to various shows in southern MN, SD, IA, and NE. I have never raced IMCA, so I don't know the specifics of what is happening at Arlington, but this comment really made me feel the need to post something

"...and have 4 cars it was a slap in the face we were all let down by our sprint car drivers."

I don't know who Allenator is, but a promoter who feels he is let down by his drivers is not doing his job! Isn't is the promoters job to promote the show to get fans and drivers to the event? It is no wonder only 4 cars showed up if this is the promoters attitude.

I don't like to get into this part of racing, but I know that when I show up a the racetrack, I really appreciate when a promoter or track official thanks us for coming. I've even been to pit meetings lately when the promoter has said, "I know you guys have other places to race. I appreciate you supporting our show." This is something all promoters should think about.

This concept of adjusting the purse based on the car count also has me puzzled. Does the promoter also raise or lower the fan's ticket price and the racer's pit fee based on the car count?

For most of the fans, sprints are the main attraction. I've been to Jackson and have seen the differnce in the stands from the first night of the Nationals to the second night with all sprints. Jon has done a great job in just a few years to turn it all around down there. Let's hope you can do the same up here.

i have not missed a race this year for imca but i will miss this week end if the pay stays the same!! the umss is only about 20 more miles for me so i think i will check that out!

There you have it Allenator. Your plan punishes the loyal cars, not the ones that only show once in a while. Try increasing the pay a little to draw the cars that only show every few weeks. Look at the car counts from Elko when the drivers new what the pay was going to be.

and the 15 to 20 people that i bring to the stands on sat and the 30 to 40 that i bring to redwood on sunday will not be there either!!!

I don't think the fact was that IMCA was paying more that race at Elko, it was more the fact that it was a new race track that they could run on and see what it was like.

As far as dropping the payoff, the crowds were still there.

when no one shows up in the sprint class they should announce to the stands that they dropped the pay ! then see what happens! i know alot of people that just go for the sprints! maybe they should put it on the radio this week so people dont have to drive all the way there to find out why there is no sprints!!

I don't know how you got to $1600.00 for a four car payout it must be the new math.

I get $1150.00 minus $300.00 to get in = $750.00 so now if there are 75 sprint car fans in the stands you are even and thats before they buy a hot dog.

Now that was easy so lets do some numbers lets say you get the 24 cars in each class and do the numbers for that. I think an average would be 1 driver and three crew for each car. So that would make the back gate $14,400.00 and the total payout based on your numbers $14,100.00 Now I can't be sure of this but I would guess that the concessions would, or should pay the expenses for insurance and employees. That leaves the grandstands say you average 1000 people thats $10,000.00 so I don't know how you think you got a slap in the face.

I think one of the reasons that you only got four cars could be that if they stayed where they already were they would get more the start the race at Elco than to run at Arlington.

Just some of the guys who stayed that run IMCA would be Lund, both Erickson's, Graf, Norm, 3k (don't know his name), Geldner, (maby both of them) Franklin,both the Smith's, thats what I can think of off hand so you see your payout creates it's own problems.

I don't think you can really complain, the racers are just doing what you tell them every time anybody says anything to the powers at your tracks they are told "if you don"t like the way we do things go somewhere else" so guess what?

Be careful what you wish for!!!!!!!!!

Dave,

Allenator is Brett Allen, he is part of the promotion team, along with his parents & brother, at Arlington & Redwood Speedways & of the IMCA Jackpot Juction Tour.

Pay has never been the attraction for the Sprints at Arlington or Redwood. Good, clean racing with a nicely prepared track was.

steiny

The statement of the nicely prepared track no longer aplies. It's more like racing in a plowed field. Track prep has been getting worse all year. If things don't get better soon, they won't have any cars left. Seen more cars in the wall and breaking front end parts than I can remember.