Forum: Northern California Sprint Car (go)
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For anyone who didnt see the checkered flag waving on Thursday night at the Trophy Cup - here is a video clip - see for yourself. Overall the excitement - good or bad- added to a great weekend of racing .
I'm glad Tyler won because I would have hate to see the outcome if he didnt.

Friday night's interview with Tyler. Congratulations!

here is what i think. i do not like split flags. cars do not race to the flag when there is an incident on the track. it does not matter if it is the third lap or the last lap. when there is a red, everyone is supposed to STOP racing and come to a safe stop. it is true that the video you posted shows the flagman waving the checkered flags. what it does not show is that he dropped the checkers and was reaching for the red and turning the red light on before tyler crossed the finish line as there was a bad flip happening. the race is not over untill the leader crosses the finish line. now i know that tyler saw the checkers waving and i can understand his feelings. still, when the entire field can not race to the finish it makes it tough. i am not trying to stick up for anyone, just saying i understand what happened. i am looking at bruce velo's video right now and it shows willie williams dropping the checkes before tyler passes the finish line. that means they called a red before the leader crossed the line. again i am not trying to stick up for anyone. i can understand tylers perspective and i can understand what the officials ruled.

Doesn't really matter what anyone thinks...the rules are clear.... when checkerd flag waves the race in over...period.

Steve - While I do agree with your point, you have to consider his speed vs. the proximity of the flag stand and the wing. He was not that far from the flag stand in the video above with the checkers still waving. At some point with the wing he is going to lose site of the flags. And a 100' at 80 or so mph goes by pretty darn quick. I personally think it should have been checkers to him the first time. He had two more opportunities to prove why.

Yeah I would be a little upset too.

not picking sides. I dont like and have never liked split yellows. its a scoring nightmare and not the real running order in most cases. I wish it would go away. Green, yellow, red, keep it simple.

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i think that they just say Split yellow, becuase the scorers fall asleep...and can not remember what is what. With Transponders there should not be split yellows, since you know exactly how the last lap was. Unless there are 4 scorrig loops in the track then how can they really do a split yellow.. I am sure it is easier than I think, but still makes no sence to me. I would also have been upset if I was Tyler Walker. I think that they should have interviewed him three times just becuase he won it three times, and they should give him bonus money for the two extra times...LOL

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then by your statement everyone should have stopped racing when tyler was in turn three cause that is when the flag started waving. show me where it says the race is over and that positions can not change once the checkered waves. are you saying that if anyone would have passed tyler AFTER willie started waving the flag and before tyler crossed the finish line that tyler would have still been the winner? what about the cars that were in turn 2 when the checkered waved? was the race over for them? as i said, the call seems to have been made for a red before the leader reached the finish line. i am not saying the checkered did not come out. i am not saying that tyler is wrong when he said he saw the checkered.i am saying the call for red seems to have been made. sure there is a reaction time delay for willie to act. for him to have time drop the checkered before tyler got to the line seems to just verify that the call for red was made in time. i think the statement that was made over the PA that the checkered did not come out was stupid. they should have said exactly what happened. that as the flag was waving, a red condition occured before the race was officially over. the race is not over until all cars pass the flag stand. just because the leader passes the line does not mean others are not racing. when you are not allowed to race to the checkered you have to go back to the last green lap that was completed by the entire field. if you do not do that you end up with the kind of argument that we are having here. tylers opinion would have been a lot different if he was running second and ended up winning because of the way things were done. if you race to the checkered no matter what happens on the track, then you don't have the controversy, but we don't do that for saftey reasons. and that is rightly so. EVERYONE deserves the opportunity to race to the conclusion of the race and to be able to pass for position right up to the point where they cross the finish line. why are you advocating for a split checkered? why do you want to screw the guy in 10th that might have gotten to 8th on a last corner pass? why do you want to let a few cars have the chance to race across the finish line and the rest not? again, please post your clear rules for us to see.

A race is not considered complete until the checkered flag appears. If a yellow or red flag must be thrown after the checkered flag appears, the race is officially over and the payoff will be done in the same manner as a yellow or red flag realignm

actually, the race is complete after half way by the book. It doesnt need a checkerd to be called.

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Even if the race is shorten to due to weather or curfew(the only reason that you would just run half the race that i can think of) the flagman STILL waives the checked flag signifying the end of the race.

the point i am making, and that you so stubbornly wish to ignore, is that the checkered can fly but the winner is not the winner untill they CROSS the finish line under the checkered. you said the race is over when the checkered comes out. i pointed out that just because the checkered comes out the race is not over, the cars still have to race to the finish line. a red flag condition occured BEFORE the leader could cross the finish line. we do not race to red flags, we stop racing when the red comes out. i know it was the last lap. i know the leader was coming out of turn 4. still we really don't want a race to end on a split flag. that is all i am saying. nothing against tyler or the track officials. i asked if you were in favor of not allowing the cars further back in the pack the chance to race to the checkered. you haven't responded to that. i feel everyone should have the chance to race to the checkered. you can't do that if you end the race on a split flag. they would have had more problems if they would have tried to do that. at least they gave the fans a checkerd flag finish. not the tracks fault it took 3 tries to do it.

I just quoted the rules as i found them..... show me in the rules where it says you need to cross the finish line for the race to be over....

Willie thru the checkers to the floor behind him, hit the red lights, then made at least 2 grabs for the

red flag before he finally grabbed it. It looked like he was watching the track and trying to get hold

of the red flag at the same time. I have a close up of him trying to come up with the red. By that time

TW was already past the flagstand. He probably saw the red light but never saw the red flag.

so if car A is leading on the last lap and car B is running second and the flagman starts waving the checkered flag when car A is in turn three are they still racing or is the race over as soon as the checkered starts waving? when do the drivers stop racing? when the flag waves or when they cross the finish line on the last lap? if car B passes car A after the checkered starts to wave and before they cross the finish line what happens then? would you mind posting the rule you are refering to?

"A race is not considered complete until the checkered flag appears. If a yellow or red flag must be thrown after the checkered flag appears, the race is officially over and the payoff will be done in the same manner as a yellow or red flag realignm"

so if car A is leading on the last lap and car B is running second and the flagman starts waving the checkered flag when car A is in turn three are they still racing or is the race over as soon as the checkered starts waving?

Now you you got it....

if car B passes car A after the checkered starts to wave and before they cross the finish line what happens then?

thanks for posting the rule you found. where did you find it?