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You know myself and family have been involved in Spint Car racing for many years and of seen many strange on track officiating last weekend at Kings Speedway in Hanford,ca was one for the memory books in the 410 main event Tim Kaeding was leading and on a restart tommy Tarlton went up stairs and took lead really flying high he spun in turn 2. and kept car going and with a insane like move he went down into turn 3 spun and flipped the car and the red came out in the process tarlton landed on is wheels never even hurting the wing or anything kept rolling yeah amazing but he caused red they stopped race as a closed red. then changed it up and opened it for 3min and allowed to work to be done on Tarlton's Racecar. At the restart Tarlton who caused the red was given the Lead explain that in the rule book then at the restart Tarlton took the lead and spun again and yellow came and right after his spin 2 cars tangled at other end he was given the lead back again..never have seen this type of rules but the Race was Named "The Tachi casinos open wheel Clasic" and that is one of Tommy Tarlton main sponsers thus Creating This rule "TheTachi Rule" :do anything to make sure the sponsers car wins
And not to mention some of the worst track preperation I have ever seen it ony be compared to the old day races at Clovis Speedway which closed for good reason IF ANYONE CAN EXPLAIN WHY TARLTON WAS GIVEN THE LEAD BACK AFTER CAUSING REDS AND YELLOWS PLEASE DO !!!

Have you ever heard of PUNCTUATION??? That is very difficult to read!

I was not there but possibly the red was ruled inadvertent if he did not stop and they may have ruled the yellow was for the other 2 cars. Perhaps they are saying they tangled and caused the yellow before Tarlton or in watching the other two to see if that would need a yellow did not notice the Tarlton spin till they called for the yellow for the other incident.

Nobody is perfect and not everything is a conspiracy. I believe an NFL official made a mistake this season which could end up affecting the playoffs and possibly cost some Charger players millions of $ in endorsement deals if that call affects their chance to get to the Super Bowl.

Tarlton first spun in 1 & 2 avoiding a lapped car that drifted up in front of him, but he did a 360 and kept going only losing 2 spots, I watched this one. He then went down into 3 and did his flip, which resulted in the red. I didn’t see this one, but listening to the officials on my scanner, the starter said he saw him flip and threw the red, to quickly as it turns out. As a result, they decided not to charge the red to him. As far as opening up the red, since they were at lap 20 something and with all the yellows, they decided to open up the red. On the second spin, again, he didn’t stop and the caution was thrown for 2 cars stacked up on one another in turn 4. What frosts me is, if it had been for (insert preferred first name here) Kaeding, noone would be excited about the calls, they would have expected the calls to go that way.

A controversial call at a Sprint Car Race...

Like those ever happen.

Here at Knoxville they have a similar rule. It is called "The Dude Rule" and is only used when an inadvertant yellow is thrown and the man who spun and caused the yellow flag is given his spot back. I think it is called "The Dude Rule" because he is the only one it has ever been used for. lol.

My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race 
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss 
that ol' gal. 

Haud spun while leading at Pevely several years back. The yellow was thrown but Jac kept it fired and did not stop. He was given the lead back on the restart and went on to win. I do not recall any booing or controversy over the call of an "inadvertant yellow". Never heard it referred to as the "HAUD rule"!

Guess the only fans who do not like it are those who do not like the driver involved!

I don't believe my post stated whether I liked it or not and my post started with, "Here at Knoxville", not "Here at Pevely."

My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race 
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss 
that ol' gal. 

I was refering more to the original post calling it the tachi rule. I saw your lol! worm apperantly does not like Tarlton.

I wasn't there but if it happened as stated above, even if it was an inadvertant red, wouldn't they revert back to the last completed lap?

I've never met worm but I am pretty sure he knows a thing or two about sprint car racing.

from kings national winged 360 rules:

RED FLAG: (STOP, DANGEROUS CONDITIONS)

1) Any car involved in a red flag will go to the back of pack on the restart.

it makes no referance to "inadvertant" reds. never heard of one of those. when a car goes upside down, the flagman throws a red. in an inadvertant yellow, the car the "yellow" was thrown for usually is gien the spot they blended back into, not the spot they were in before the flag. why would you not do the same IF an inadvertant red was called?

FLAGS: YELLOW (CAUTIN, MAINTAIN POSITION):

E) If a car brings out a yellow but continues (i.e. car does 360, but keeps going) that car will be sent to the back for bringing out the flag. This will not be considered a charged yellow flag for purposes of the two-yellow rule

just a note, the punctuation and spelling in the rules on that site suck! where ever they cut and pasted those from were terrible. looks like civil war rules! but them i can't spell either so wtf!

anyway, there is no mention that i saw anywhere in the rules that addresses "inadvetant" flags. if they are going to allow those types of calls they need to be consistent. they has set a president now and they need to follow it no matter who it benefits or hurts. i can't speak for the whole tarlton group but i know my buddy paul baines who maintains the teams cars would rather not have ANYTHING given to them that they did not earn.

Lasoski got a mulligan at the Nationals on TV...then came the FAMILY FEUD!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

I was there that night, the facts are all correct, except they put Haud in 2nd, as they ruled that when they threw the red, Jac had lost a spot even though he continued on. He then passed the leader back after the restart and went on to win........

Nope, they put him first. He bent a rim when he hit the wall and spun and had a vibration. Got passed for the lead and retook it a few laps latter.

Where can we find full results from Friday and Saturday night. Thx

definitely not how I remember it, but hey, that was about 100,000 beers ago, so............

I cant believe a protest didnt break out after this one! The Friday night races where good, and track conditions were excellent, Sammy must have known something cause he went home after Friday. But the scoring people didnt have a clue as to who was running where when the cautions came out. On the Friday night portion, the top 5 in the 360 race, came out in a different order anytime there was a red, or a caution for that matter. I think Tommy got screwed on Friday night but I recall being in the infeild at Marysville one night and Bud said, this is racing sometimes i get blanked, and sometimes i dont. Thats racing. But this here is something that needs to be addressed before there can even be a repeat of this great idea of an event. Hanford had the best of the best in California sprint car racing over the two days that seen most drivers driving 360's and 410's. Thats the kind of double vision I could get used to.

The second night did have Tommy getting upside down during the main event in the 410 while leading, but the car didnt hit anything or damage the car in any way. I had a problem with the flagman, all weekend long. He was way to quick to throw a caution flag. I wished he had been consistant t the end on this. The last lap of the 410 main got exciting on the last lap. TK in classic TK form made up all kinds of ground Tommy Tarlton, and as they came out of the final turn final lap, coming to the checkers, TK actually had a run on Tommy, was up along the inside of him, but the black 10 car of Anthony Simone was spinning in the bottom of 4. This is right where TK is running and he backs out of it, but he is going for the win, and runs and taps the 10 as he is going for the win. The flagman, who should have had a caution, as they were coming to the line, was waving the checkered flag, HAD TO EDIT THE CHECKERED PART.. Im all for a good race, a great race, but I like to see the driver earn it. Tommy, he didnt earn this one.

Anthony Simone, now that says a lot right there.(lol)

got to remember outlaw rules are different than the rules used around most of the time. outlaws have a "blend" rule that allows cars to do 360 and keep going and be given position where they blend back into the field. outlaws also have and "inadvertant" flag rule specified in their rules.

i am hearing that tommy did not flip. heard he did a tail spin on the rear nerf and kept going. also heard that there was no noticible flack from other drivers in that race on the call. the point still is that they need to be consistant if they are going to make the same call again for any driver. what has things screwed up is the fact that they called the red inadvertant. when that happens on a yellow you can easily line the cars up the way they crossed the line for the yellow and give the driver the spot he ended up in, not where he was running before the flag. in this case they pulled a red, everyone stopped, and there you are. they went back to the last green lap and tommy was leading. it is a tough deal. i don't believe in inadvetant flags at all. if the flag is thrown, it is thrown. the flagman reacts to what he sees. if one is faster than another, that is just the way it is. how long do you want the flagman to wait and think about it before he reacts? he is trying to signal potential trouble to the rest of the field. if he waits and a big pile up happens because of it then he is a big jerk.

Wright One how does one power slide through a corner do a wheelie, then a complete twist in the air, and that not be considered a flip? I did like the aggression that Tommy drove with on Saturday night. But rules are rules. I had to go back in my original post casue I said Tommy and TK were battling to a yellow, when that is what should have happend. Instead we got a checkered on a race when a car was spinning in trun four right in front of the leaders, and we got a checkered? We should have had a green, white then the checkered.

Nobody complained I bet at least one did. I seen him stop on the front straightaway after he thought he should be in the lead. This was on friday nights 360 main. The fans might not have know cause the announcers that night said we were watching the 410 main. Seems that it worked out for the driver who complained on Friday, cause he was undenied on Saturday!

Wanted to add, ask Destiny Hays how many laps she was in harms way as she sat the wrong way in the infeild facing the track. She was pretty close to the edge of the track. It took at least 5 laps for that flagman to finally acknowledge her.