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What exactly is going on with it??  I've heard everything from "it's being torn down",  "being relocated to EMMR" , "being replaced by a taller bridge".  But haven't heard anything official from Williams Grove. I personally think it's stupid. If a sprint car gets high enough to hit the bridge all the speed is gone so the impact isn't what people (or insurance companies) think. The opening in the backstretch wall is the problem. 

And of course you know this because you've hit the bridge yourself?

No I have a brain. 

So do the guys who have actually hit it.   I'd wonder what their opinion is on that impact. 

A brain would tell most that if all the speed is gone the car would have fallen to the ground ahead of the bidge. If it was high enough to hit the bridge it must still be moving pretty fast.

WOW!  I wouldn't want to hit it anytime.  

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Considering the world class drivers, racing teams, and mechanics that call PA their home, this might be the most accurate statement you've ever posted. What does your wonderful state have to offer besides losers like yourself.

Both items can be safety hazards at the same time. I also think your grasp of physics isn't as strong as it could be.

I know for sure the bridge caused a broken shoulder when the late Greg Hodnett hit it in the Apple car. I talked to him myself about this a few weeks later.  This was also at a time when he was working out with Olympic caliber athletes I think in Memphis and was in the best physical shape that I had ever seen a racecar driver.

You guys make me laugh. The bridge, it's iconic and should stay period. How about the concrete wall at port royal, how many years was it there ? How about the wooden fence rails and back then the open cockpit cars ? How about the driver that has openly stated, Yea I lost my brakes 1/2 way thru the race ? Yet still won. Every guy that has strapped in a race car understands, let me tell you something, it will never stop a racer from racing. I've said it before, there's dangers at every track, every weekend. I've been sideways heading for a telephone poll because my steering broke. I got it stopped about 2 feet from that pole with everyone running over and yelling you ok, you ok. LOL, my answer was well yea, I didn't hit the pole. That pole didn't have tires protecting it, it had nothing. I was back the next week, new steering box and all, I guess stopping a couple feet short of bending the car in half it just wasn't my time. That was over 40 yrs ago. So, in closing, every guy out there wants to make the next race or come back the next week. Every guy out there also understands it could end in the blink of an eye. For years I've told promotors you need to sell tickets for a ride along at the end of the night or intermission. Put a big motor in, and let your feature winner take people around for a few hot laps. It has been thought about, liability issues have canned the idea. 

I just asked what was going on with it. And far as the physics comment goes..how do you not understand that a car will lose velocity when it digs into the ground and starts going in a perpendicular direction as the race track?  The car is most definitely going at its slowest velocity when it's at the top of its arc.  Think about it.  Nor am I saying it's super safe to have cars flying under a steel bridge, but the bridge is like the #3 worst safety issue at Williams Grove. And everybody will be bitching about how dumb the place looks without a bridge.  Which is why I'm hoping they replace it. Which is why I fucking asked in the first place. So anybody have an answer?  Ford97??? Make yourself useful dickehead.  

Not anything close to hitting an opening in the backstretch wall. 

Maybe or maybe not, but a sudden stop is still a sudden stop.   I'm quite sure the drivers who have hit the bridge could care less what you think about physics...

How is a sudden stop a sudden stop when one is 120mph and one is probably 30mph flying through the air?  

At any point have I said that the wall opening wasn't dangerous or also wouldn't be a sudden stop?   Don't think so...

Do you have scientific data to support your claim that a car hitting the bridge has slowed down to 30 mph?   Just curious.  

I don't mean to pile on, but... your grasp of science is really lacking. Also, you spelled dickhead wrong.

No, you didn't "just ask" what was going on with it. You asked and then began to editorialize afterwards which was what most people were commenting on subsequently.

If you took Physics in high school you'd know there's a difference between speed and velocity as well as the x axis and y axis. Even if the car begins to flip down the backstretch, all the speed the car has gained from turn two will still be traveling along the x axis so when it impacts the bridge its not going to be nice. You say its 30 mph, I'd say hopefully we wont have to find out. I would go longer but I don't feel like texting physics equations on my phone.

Quite honestly, I dont care about the bridge. If it's there, fine. If it's not, whatever.

The bridge is still hazardous but if people want to continue to race there, more power to them. I'll pay to watch it. Again, and I repeat, both are hazards and both could/should be dealt with. You seem to be more hung up on the opening and that's fine, I hope they fix that. But if you reread your original comment, especially the second half, it wasn't that bright. That's why you got the response you did.

Doesn't sound bright because you don't agree with it. Let me guess you took physics in high school? And BTW it's not real physics at that level. Might as well be pre calculus. But thanks for clarifying that, along with your "giant vocabulary" to make yourself sound intelligent. When all this boils down to is common sense. Let's see what they do, and what response is, and then we'll revisit this thread in the summer. 

Makes perfect sense to me, I'm not a physicist but I'm sure what you just said is why they say flying is safer than driving.

On a serious note, I think ford97 can be a little abrasive at times but in this case he nailed it.  I could not be more thankful that you don't have anything to do with track safety.  You and alum.427 are morons.  

Everyone is entitled to their own  opinion, and I try to understand where people are coming from when they post something, but I have a hard time agreeing with the logic that "because it's iconic, it should be left alone".  Or another person who somehow thinks that "if" anyone hits the bridge it would only be at 30 mph".  I would love to explain to you two idiots why your logic is wrong but it would be a waste of time.  People want to complain about insurance companies and their "dumb" rules that don't make any sense but this is why they exist.  People like you two idiots could potentially be in charge of a track or the safety of the track.

You guys forget that these are human beings that race these cars, there are people that care and depend on them way more than you do.  Since safety is a ridiculous thing to think about maybe you two should grab a couple of lawn chairs and discuss this in the middle of a couple of lanes on I76?  If it's your time to go it's your time to go right?  Heck I bet there's no way a car would hit you at more than 30 mph right?

Your first sentence. SMH. Moderators please just delete this fucking thread. This is why sprint car fans are looked at as redneck dummies. Fucking idiots.