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jdfaster
January 07, 2019 at 10:07:57 AM
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Can not afford the real thing, want to build a simulator for Iracing, they have the chilli bowl track now Smile  guess I should purchase it.

 

If u know anything about car simulators, budgets and build can even rival real world racing.  My budget is mostes, I just want a real sprint car seat (can be an old one that isn't real world race worthy, and want to get pedals and steering position correct.

 

I've never even sat in a sprint, although I raced karts/midget for almost 20 years and used to battle Pedregon, Jones boys, Cory and Jay at Ventura back in the day.

...........

is there a way to get the dimensions, ergonomics of midget or sprint car.  Any good pic's of the pedals.  Steeering wheel angle should be a problem and just buy a MPI or something similiar.  Pedals are the big thing, and I'm not sure there is even a market to make them.  My friend Mark at HPP (Hargett Performance Products) makes the best f1 style hyrdralic pedals, he's so buys making as many as he can,he's likely got no time or interest ;( in making sprint car pedals.

My dream is to get good on Iracing, and than hopefully find funding to go Lightning Sprint Racing on the west coast, all it takes is money, that's for both the virtual and real world, the repair bills, maintenance and travel expenses are much less in the virtual world

 

cheers

Doug

any hints, suggestions welcomed.  Hope to get up to Krusemans or Biggies and actually sit in a car, but they might be busy with chilli bowl stuff




Dollanskyfan1.1
January 07, 2019 at 01:00:53 PM
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Do you already have the wheel, computer and monitor to race with? I have been racing for more than 12 years with Nascar Racing 2003(which is where Iracing came from) both NASCAR and Sprint cars on dirt, and also race online with Iracing for about a year with 410's and 360's. I am FAR from the expert on setting it up to look/feel like a sprint car, but can help you with thd rest of it if you need help. 


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Speedbump
January 07, 2019 at 01:25:31 PM
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Maybe someone has an old junk chassis that you can mount a monitor (or three), a steering wheel and pedals in?    I believe that Thomas Superwheel has options for all sorts of custom mounting situations, but that is the Cadillac of computer steering wheels so is pricey. 

 



jdfaster
January 07, 2019 at 04:09:19 PM
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I've been sim racing b4 2000, done iracing since the 2nd year in existence.

I have a pretty decent setup for Road Racing, AF (direct drive wheel) and HPP hydralic pedals on a custom chassis, use an old integra seat.

I don't want to build a replic midget or real midget (NO ROOM).  I just want a real seat, got steering system, just add a MPI rim and than need to figure out pedals.  Also looking for a used REAL sprint car seat.  With a virtual (Rift) system, it will be just like I'm there except the flips won't hurt so much, no mud cleaning and LOT LESS money.

Also need to add a new compurter to run rift.

Dirt is pretty new at Iracing, not sure about the physics, but than again I'm not that good.  In road racing, it's PRETTY DAMN GOOD, most real world drivers use this software to learn new tracks, or there own team has a specific one.  Pretty cool to be racing guys like Montoya, Power,  Simon.

Hell back in the early 2000's I was in a NR2003 league with Briscoe.  Spoke with him about a year ago and he said the midget was pretty good, so did Bell.  Not sure if they do much sim racing maybe they do.  I'm a road racer who spends his Saturday nights at the dirt track

cheers



Dollanskyfan1.1
January 07, 2019 at 05:13:54 PM
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You obviously remember DMP online... I raced there for 3 years, 2 years in Trucks and 1 in Cup. I think the physics are close? I have done 2 driving schools for fun in real life, and they are WAY low HP motors, and Iracing isn't far off. I just use a cheap G27, I love it though. I actually have a 2nd one new in the box for a spare when this one wears out. The new G29 SUCKS! Don't have the money for what you have or for a high end Thrustmaster or anything. 


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jdfaster
January 07, 2019 at 06:07:26 PM
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Logitech were my best investment in racing, still have my g25.  (if u can afford it, the AF Direct Drive Wheel and HPP hydralic pedals are awesome, but crap ur talking real race car money, might as well do the real thing.  Plus high end hardware doesn't make u fast, unlike the real thing.

I never did DMP, did nr 1999 offline, that's how old I am.  Didn't really get serious until iracing, clost to 10 years now.  It's so much fun, hard to tell people how serious it is and how HARD it is compared to the real racing, fun watching some real world drivers struggle, but than again Kyle and Bell jump and their at the top of the sheet, but that's just like the real world wink

 

ps on iracing forum, found a guy who posted in the forums a full size sprint, and my HPP pedals can be mounted similiar to real sprint car, or close enough,  he's an engineer at Hendricks, so it's all tricked out except they put a comfortable recliner seat.

In real world, ur not in the seat that much, as u know, u sim race all night and into the morning some nights getting ready for big races Smile



Dollanskyfan1.1
January 07, 2019 at 10:38:00 PM
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This message was edited on January 07, 2019 at 10:38:49 PM by Dollanskyfan1.1

I agree, it's amazing when you tell.someone you race online they think PS3/4 or a game like Grand Turismo. I have let a few people try racing on my rig and they can't believe how hard it is. There is nothing arcade about either game. I started racing offline with NASCAR 3, and the went to NASCAR 4 and raced online with that for about 2 or 3 years, and made the jump to NR2003 around 2005?  I still race 2 leagues(one full time and one part time) with NR2003. Our "winter heat" was sprint cars on dirt tracks: we raced Eldora, Knoxville, Chico, Terra Haute, Williams Grove, Beaver Dam, Hales Corners, Lima, and Lowes... Was a awesome winter League, and its mainly free except for us who have to rent server space and have TS3, and i race pickup races on Iracing with 410's. Sure wish they would come out with more tracks! Although I love Eldora and Lowes dirt, just wish there were more tracks, hopefully sooner than later!


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hardon
January 08, 2019 at 01:32:58 AM
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Posted By: jdfaster on January 07 2019 at 10:07:57 AM

Can not afford the real thing, want to build a simulator for Iracing, they have the chilli bowl track now Smile  guess I should purchase it.

 

If u know anything about car simulators, budgets and build can even rival real world racing.  My budget is mostes, I just want a real sprint car seat (can be an old one that isn't real world race worthy, and want to get pedals and steering position correct.

 

I've never even sat in a sprint, although I raced karts/midget for almost 20 years and used to battle Pedregon, Jones boys, Cory and Jay at Ventura back in the day.

...........

is there a way to get the dimensions, ergonomics of midget or sprint car.  Any good pic's of the pedals.  Steeering wheel angle should be a problem and just buy a MPI or something similiar.  Pedals are the big thing, and I'm not sure there is even a market to make them.  My friend Mark at HPP (Hargett Performance Products) makes the best f1 style hyrdralic pedals, he's so buys making as many as he can,he's likely got no time or interest ;( in making sprint car pedals.

My dream is to get good on Iracing, and than hopefully find funding to go Lightning Sprint Racing on the west coast, all it takes is money, that's for both the virtual and real world, the repair bills, maintenance and travel expenses are much less in the virtual world

 

cheers

Doug

any hints, suggestions welcomed.  Hope to get up to Krusemans or Biggies and actually sit in a car, but they might be busy with chilli bowl stuff



I was in your shoes.  I'm just going to give you a heads up on a few things.  I went out and built a $1,500 computer, bought the logitech G27 wheel and pedal set (which I read was one of the best available) and I got a 27" monitor.  I joined a league on rFactor and raced online with people for a few months and felt really good as I was faster than a lot of the people that would show up in the unsanctioned races.

What I quickly found out was if you want to be good at all you better be ready for a big time commitment (just like the real thing).  What I found was the hardest thing about turning consistent fast laps was throttle control.  I could run laps that looked real close on replay but would be up to a second or more off.  I was so confused on why that was but after a while I noticed on the slower laps I would be turning 1,000-1,500 more RPMs from the center of the corner out.  I'm assuming all I was doing was spinning the tires.  But I had no way of knowing that.  It's been a few years but I thought I found a set of pedals that would vibrate when you were losing traction or spinning the tires but I think they were between $500 and $1,000 online.  If you wanted to be good I think these would be well worth it.  Another driver told me they have better refresh rates, I'm not sure if that would help or not but the guy I was talking to thought it would.  Also I had a single 27" monitor which from talking to other people, that's probably the worst scenario.  A couple people told me that 3 monitors makes a world of difference.  I completely believe this as racing side by side was difficult since I didn't have much peripheral vision.  Imagine driving a car or racecar and you can't turn your head or move your eyes.  But if I were to do it again I would probably get a set of VR goggles.  I haven't researched them much but from the little bit I've read you can turn your head to see any direction you want.  

As others have said building a $1500 computer isn't going to make you any faster.  But a good wheel and pedal set as well as a way to see what's going on around you will help more.  As far as a simulator to make it feel like the real thing, I wouldn't worry too much about seating and pedal position in making it feel like the real thing but more about comfort.  In a real sprint car or midget race you might sit in the car for 10-20 minutes at a time from push off to getting out.  But at a sim race event you're probably not going to leave your seat much, unless you smoke like I do lol.  Also make sure you have the space for a simulator.  I can't tell you the inconvenience in having to make a main PC work as a make-shift simulator.  I didn't have room for a 3 monitor setup, which sucked.

What happened with me was for 5 weeks strait I practiced or raced every night.  I kind of got burned out and when I only practiced 3 nights before a race I was totally out to lunch.  At this point I decided I was not going to ignore my family anymore.  With a real racecar it would be a family commitment, work on the car with your kids and maybe your wife during the week and your friends and extended family would come out to see you race.  But there is no family involvelment with sim-racing and I promise you that nobody is going to give a shit if you win a sim-racing championship.

But if you're a single guy with time and room.  It's a geat way to have fun.  The guys I raced with were awesome and very helpful.



jwerkman
January 08, 2019 at 09:06:28 AM
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CHECK OUT GT OMEGA

MY SON BOUGHT THAT ONE FOR HIS REPLACEMENT OF A ACTUAL DOWN TUBE CHASIS HE MODIFIED IN HIS SR YEAR SHOP CLASS, I BOUGHT HIM A RACING SEAT AND MOUNTED THAT IN THERE WITH FANATEC WHEEL AND PEDALS. HE USED THAT FOR 2 YEARS BEFORE HE GOT THE GT OMEGA, THE ONLY REASON HE SWITCHED IS HE WAS SPENDING 3 TO 4 HOURS A NIGHT IN IT AND IT GOT TO BE TO UNCOMFORTABLE. I CAN NOT POST PICTURES ON HERE OR I WOULD FOR YA. 

 


 

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January 08, 2019 at 01:38:17 PM
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Contact Joel Hamilton at Virtual2Reality.tv he can help you get the gear you need as far as steering wheel, pedals, headset, computers etc. He is out of California and is knowledgeable about the equipment (probably not regarding the old chassis side) 

My simracing stations use old non-full containment Kirkey seats. I would check with rupw, panchos, or some of the sprint car marketplaces on FB.



jdfaster
January 11, 2019 at 04:57:10 PM
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Posted By: hardon on January 08 2019 at 01:32:58 AM

I was in your shoes.  I'm just going to give you a heads up on a few things.  I went out and built a $1,500 computer, bought the logitech G27 wheel and pedal set (which I read was one of the best available) and I got a 27" monitor.  I joined a league on rFactor and raced online with people for a few months and felt really good as I was faster than a lot of the people that would show up in the unsanctioned races.

What I quickly found out was if you want to be good at all you better be ready for a big time commitment (just like the real thing).  What I found was the hardest thing about turning consistent fast laps was throttle control.  I could run laps that looked real close on replay but would be up to a second or more off.  I was so confused on why that was but after a while I noticed on the slower laps I would be turning 1,000-1,500 more RPMs from the center of the corner out.  I'm assuming all I was doing was spinning the tires.  But I had no way of knowing that.  It's been a few years but I thought I found a set of pedals that would vibrate when you were losing traction or spinning the tires but I think they were between $500 and $1,000 online.  If you wanted to be good I think these would be well worth it.  Another driver told me they have better refresh rates, I'm not sure if that would help or not but the guy I was talking to thought it would.  Also I had a single 27" monitor which from talking to other people, that's probably the worst scenario.  A couple people told me that 3 monitors makes a world of difference.  I completely believe this as racing side by side was difficult since I didn't have much peripheral vision.  Imagine driving a car or racecar and you can't turn your head or move your eyes.  But if I were to do it again I would probably get a set of VR goggles.  I haven't researched them much but from the little bit I've read you can turn your head to see any direction you want.  

As others have said building a $1500 computer isn't going to make you any faster.  But a good wheel and pedal set as well as a way to see what's going on around you will help more.  As far as a simulator to make it feel like the real thing, I wouldn't worry too much about seating and pedal position in making it feel like the real thing but more about comfort.  In a real sprint car or midget race you might sit in the car for 10-20 minutes at a time from push off to getting out.  But at a sim race event you're probably not going to leave your seat much, unless you smoke like I do lol.  Also make sure you have the space for a simulator.  I can't tell you the inconvenience in having to make a main PC work as a make-shift simulator.  I didn't have room for a 3 monitor setup, which sucked.

What happened with me was for 5 weeks strait I practiced or raced every night.  I kind of got burned out and when I only practiced 3 nights before a race I was totally out to lunch.  At this point I decided I was not going to ignore my family anymore.  With a real racecar it would be a family commitment, work on the car with your kids and maybe your wife during the week and your friends and extended family would come out to see you race.  But there is no family involvelment with sim-racing and I promise you that nobody is going to give a shit if you win a sim-racing championship.

But if you're a single guy with time and room.  It's a geat way to have fun.  The guys I raced with were awesome and very helpful.



I agree with almost everything u said.

 

I race with with a 8 year old computer on a single monitor but 120 hz so there is zero lag.  I got a hand me down sim rig that had to be re engineered, I was a beta tester for AF direct drive wheel and did a bit of R&D for HPP hydralic pedals, plus I'm a good friend of Mark.

 

If u have the money, good pedals and DD are money well spent, my budget so far hasn't included 3 screens or VR, too much $$$ for me, because I would need a new, good computer.

 

With that said, I had the most fun and best results using a $150 Logitech wheel, pedals and shifter and bolted it on a desk.  I AGREE, talent is more important and spending time on the simulator.  When I was hardcore, I made the 2nd split for Daytona 500 and was in the same Split as Kevin Swindell, On the road racing side, I qualifed top 10 for the top split for 2.4 hour Daytona 24 hour version.  I'm not hardcore or maybe my talent or desire has gone down hill, I used to race 300 or 400 times a year, now lucky to get 10 or 20 races.  So far I  suck at dirt racing especially qualifying.  Hoping to make a committment to get good in a sprint car/midget, buy a new computer and get rift, get a decent rig to simulate a sprint car and go have fun.  Been a fan of sprint cars since the 70's, and hope to turn that passion into racing them, at least in the virtual.   I think in the future u will see more and more top virtual racers getting opportunites in real world cars, hopefully dirt cars too.

 

cheers, excited tow atch chilli bowl, build my rig and do chilli bowl from the comfort on my own race room

 



Trav22
January 12, 2019 at 07:19:51 AM
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This was my project last January, I think it turned out pretty good. Nice to be able to sit down and turn some laps with the pedals and the steering in the proper spot. Couple touches I added were a toggle switch with extension to work the wing as well as shifter, the buttons perform tasks as well (red-reset car, blue-align VR, green-tearoff). Mounted the subwoofer under the seat and added a shaker to the motor plate. Torque tube is there to run the wires through. I tore apart the fanatec pedals and mounted the potentiometers to real pedals to make it more realistic. Use the monitor or VR headset, I personally prefer the VR.

All pictures of the build are uploaded here Sprint Simulator

 

 

  



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January 12, 2019 at 11:31:20 AM
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This message was edited on January 12, 2019 at 11:34:24 AM by StanM

I run two very capable like new purpose built Linux systems and am still waiting.  It's probably just as well, at 67 I'd get my ass kicked.  The hand eye coordination is said to be the second thing that goes.  I won't even mention what the first thing to go was.  wink


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jwerkman
January 13, 2019 at 01:56:14 AM
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This was my project last January, I think it turned out pretty good. Nice to be able to sit down and turn some laps with the pedals and the steering in the proper spot. Couple touches I added were a toggle switch with extension to work the wing as well as shifter, the buttons perform tasks as well (red-reset car, blue-align VR, green-tearoff). Mounted the subwoofer under the seat and added a shaker to the motor plate. Torque tube is there to run the wires through. I tore apart the fanatec pedals and mounted the potentiometers to real pedals to make it more realistic. Use the monitor or VR headset, I personally prefer the VR.

All pictures of the build are uploaded here Sprint Simulator

 

 

  



That is awesome


 

Dollanskyfan1.1
January 15, 2019 at 10:30:18 AM
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How do you post pics on here? Mine is alot more basic, but would post pics of my setup 


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Dollanskyfan1.1
January 15, 2019 at 10:35:57 AM
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Someone also started spending $1500 on a computer... That's a thing of the past! You can build a good I5 with 8gigs of RAM, A 2 gig video card, SSD hard drive, 550 watt power supply, and a good case with Windows 10 64 bit for under $700. I built my last one for under $500... I use a 32" TV to race on in 720(since there is no difference in noticeable resolution between 720 and 1080 at 32" or lower), and a 17" wide screen for Teamspeak. My set up works great, would post pics if I knew how??


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csracing72c
January 15, 2019 at 01:49:10 PM
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Contact BL Sim Racing PC Solutions on Facebook. He will custom build a PC for you up to what standards/budget you have 



rj34
January 15, 2019 at 04:29:01 PM
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They have any new VR googles yet with peripheral vision, so you don't run over people?



hardon
January 16, 2019 at 12:19:53 AM
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Someone also started spending $1500 on a computer... That's a thing of the past! You can build a good I5 with 8gigs of RAM, A 2 gig video card, SSD hard drive, 550 watt power supply, and a good case with Windows 10 64 bit for under $700. I built my last one for under $500... I use a 32" TV to race on in 720(since there is no difference in noticeable resolution between 720 and 1080 at 32" or lower), and a 17" wide screen for Teamspeak. My set up works great, would post pics if I knew how??



You are completely right.  If you shop around and are not afraid of used parts, you can do this easily.  I should say when I say $1,500 I include the monitor and wheel.  But the cost of my last computer turned out to be way more than could have been because after I bought the major components (CPU, motherboard video card, about $500, which was an i5 4690k, z97 board and a nvidia gtx 970) which I was just going to put into my old case and use all of my old parts, someone asked me about building a computer and the more we talked he asked if he could buy my current PC.  At this point I spent stupid with the rest of it, good case (which I always thought was a waste of money until I bought one, they are much nicer for wire management and hiding everything else), LED lights, modular power supply, liquid cooling, I put 2 SSDs in a RAID 0 thinking it would be so much faster (it wasn't at least not in everyday use) and all kinds of other stuff for a clean look (all sleeved cables and countless other stuff I can't remember).  All totally unnecessary but it was fun lol. 





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