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fiXXXer
September 07, 2018 at 09:52:28 PM
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If you can believe it, I think the fence at Trail-Way (just a few miles up the road from Lincoln. They run 358 sprints every Friday night) is even lower and the fans sit VERY close to the track. Neat little track and I really enjoy the 410 specials there but their catch fence is a disaster waiting to happen.




NWFAN
September 08, 2018 at 10:24:53 AM
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if you don't like the tracks, stay home!!!!!


Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

egras
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That backstretch (I think backstretch anyways--photo on right) photo looks like Beaver Dam.  I don't need to say anything else about that.  The photo on the left.....yikes.  I would agree with you. 

 

If I remember correctly, Beaver Dam shut down all 410 races to make improvements to the barriers. Anyone confirm? By the looks of it, Silver Dollar Speedway may want to think of doing the same to avoid a tragedy before it happens.  

 

As far as ticket prices go, $55 in California is like $15 in the midwest.  wink 

 




Points
September 09, 2018 at 09:39:06 PM
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Beaver Dam inprovements made. IRA / badger midgets / wingless sprints racing sept 22. $25 addmission



Nickules
September 10, 2018 at 09:07:23 AM
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Posted By: NWFAN on September 08 2018 at 10:24:53 AM

if you don't like the tracks, stay home!!!!!



I'm not sure lumping safety concerns into a the "if you don't like stay home camp" is worthwhile.  If someone commented, "hey the track food sucks...the bathrooms suck...it gets dusty...I don't like the parking" then yeah sure I could see calls for "hey, don't like it stay home."  While his wording may not have been best I believe the OP was simply pointing out what appears to be an abysmal catch fence and safety considerations.  In light of recent conversations across the sprint car landscape it seems like a relevant post and falls a bit outside of the "don't like it, stay home" camp. Just my opinion.   



revjimk
September 11, 2018 at 12:02:32 AM
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Posted By: Nickules on September 10 2018 at 09:07:23 AM

I'm not sure lumping safety concerns into a the "if you don't like stay home camp" is worthwhile.  If someone commented, "hey the track food sucks...the bathrooms suck...it gets dusty...I don't like the parking" then yeah sure I could see calls for "hey, don't like it stay home."  While his wording may not have been best I believe the OP was simply pointing out what appears to be an abysmal catch fence and safety considerations.  In light of recent conversations across the sprint car landscape it seems like a relevant post and falls a bit outside of the "don't like it, stay home" camp. Just my opinion.   



Good point. The drivers are at risk even with NO fans




MandGRacing96
September 11, 2018 at 07:17:05 AM
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Posted By: revjimk on September 11 2018 at 12:02:32 AM

Good point. The drivers are at risk even with NO fans



The drivers are at risk every time they strap into their cars.  Doesnt matter how safe everything is, people will always get hurt and/or killed in race cars.  Unfortunate, but true.



Nickules
September 11, 2018 at 10:35:53 AM
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The drivers are at risk every time they strap into their cars.  Doesnt matter how safe everything is, people will always get hurt and/or killed in race cars.  Unfortunate, but true.



True.  That's the nature of the sport.  Hell to a much, much lesser degree that's the nature of, well, nature I suppose.  But the tracks working to minimize risks where applicable and possible should be a part of the convo.  Will unavoidable, tragic, accidents still happen.  Yep.  But working to minimize risks and improve safety should be paramount as well.  If not then hell let's just run no catch fences, concrete barriers, etc.  I know I'm being hyperbolic, but just saying tracks should do everything they can to mitigate large safety concerns (such as the catch fence pictured above) for both drivers and spectators. 



MandGRacing96
September 11, 2018 at 11:31:36 AM
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True.  That's the nature of the sport.  Hell to a much, much lesser degree that's the nature of, well, nature I suppose.  But the tracks working to minimize risks where applicable and possible should be a part of the convo.  Will unavoidable, tragic, accidents still happen.  Yep.  But working to minimize risks and improve safety should be paramount as well.  If not then hell let's just run no catch fences, concrete barriers, etc.  I know I'm being hyperbolic, but just saying tracks should do everything they can to mitigate large safety concerns (such as the catch fence pictured above) for both drivers and spectators. 



true..tracks should do all they can to make it safer.  But also alot of this falls on teams....they make their cars as light as possible and then add weight to make weight.  Are those lighter parts safe? 




Nickules
September 11, 2018 at 11:50:47 AM
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Posted By: MandGRacing96 on September 11 2018 at 11:31:36 AM

true..tracks should do all they can to make it safer.  But also alot of this falls on teams....they make their cars as light as possible and then add weight to make weight.  Are those lighter parts safe? 



Oh I agree and it's both parties, just this particular thread was about track safety.  I do believe teams or the "safety council" that was recently formed are taking proactive steps, but it falls on teams, tracks and the entire sprint car landscape to continue to work on safety. 



blazer00
September 11, 2018 at 12:25:52 PM
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Catch fences and barriers carry a twofold purpose. Protecting fans and mimimizing impact. Initially the fences and barriers were primarily designed to protect fans, without obstructing the fan view. As years went by the design has been to also help contain the cars. The next step in the design of fences and barriers discussed had been "soft  walls". I don't think that is a solution at all for sprint cars. Instead, A design that allows a high fence to collapse and actually catch the car and stop it's momentum sounds like a proper solution. Similar to catching a Navy Jet on an aircraft carrier, for example. That type of fence could be constructed in sections, and designed in such a way that after the collapse they are able to be put right back in their place. CAD would surely help in the design function of break away joints for example at the base of the poles holding the barrier up. Thinking outside the box is how the most difficult problems often get solved. And there is nothing that will prevent the freakish things that happen in a crash. Whether it be the point of impact or something from the car getting to a driver. Some risks will always exist..



EasyE
September 12, 2018 at 06:49:16 AM
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No matter what there is always going to be danger around a racetack for drivers and spectators  theres dangers everywhere every day in life unless your spend your life in your home on the couch 24/7 everyone is subjected to them. There was a ump modified driver killed in central illinois a couple weeks ago when a car in front of him was flipping in the air and came down on his cage. Its not just sprint car cages that are dangerous all cages would need to be  WAY thicker and bigger to be safe.




MSPN
September 12, 2018 at 09:10:20 AM
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Back in te 90's I was shooting from outside turn 4 at my home track, I-96 Speedway in MI.  In early hot laps there were only 3 non-wing sprinters on the big half mile yet two of them got racing each other.  Sure enough, the faster car runs over the other car coming out of turn 4 and flips hard, very hard.  He flies over top of me (behind a concrete barier) and a very high catch fence and lands in the 7th row perfectly like he was placed there, true story.  Had this been later in the program I hate to think of the results, strangest thing I had ever seen.....



StanM
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September 12, 2018 at 09:27:35 AM
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Catch fences and barriers carry a twofold purpose. Protecting fans and mimimizing impact. Initially the fences and barriers were primarily designed to protect fans, without obstructing the fan view. As years went by the design has been to also help contain the cars. The next step in the design of fences and barriers discussed had been "soft  walls". I don't think that is a solution at all for sprint cars. Instead, A design that allows a high fence to collapse and actually catch the car and stop it's momentum sounds like a proper solution. Similar to catching a Navy Jet on an aircraft carrier, for example. That type of fence could be constructed in sections, and designed in such a way that after the collapse they are able to be put right back in their place. CAD would surely help in the design function of break away joints for example at the base of the poles holding the barrier up. Thinking outside the box is how the most difficult problems often get solved. And there is nothing that will prevent the freakish things that happen in a crash. Whether it be the point of impact or something from the car getting to a driver. Some risks will always exist..



As someone who launched planes from a catapult and was trained and assisted rigging the barrier when an aircraft was in distress I say that there is nothing that could be used at a race track that compares.  You do realize that aircraft carrier arresting gear cables are stopped in their run by a hydraulic "arresting gear engine" below deck and that the arresting wire is removed and barrier connected to the cable ends and uses the hydraulic machinery?  Barricades surrounding the track would work in principle but if there's no cushioning "runout" so when it trapped the car it would essentially become a nylon webbing fence.  No race track is going to install arresting gear engines all around the track.  Hell, we can barely get them to water the damn things.  wink

This training video is over 50 years old but arresting gear still operates on the same principle.

https://youtu.be/DolytF0Uf2A

 


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blazer00
September 12, 2018 at 10:12:53 AM
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As someone who launched planes from a catapult and was trained and assisted rigging the barrier when an aircraft was in distress I say that there is nothing that could be used at a race track that compares.  You do realize that aircraft carrier arresting gear cables are stopped in their run by a hydraulic "arresting gear engine" below deck and that the arresting wire is removed and barrier connected to the cable ends and uses the hydraulic machinery?  Barricades surrounding the track would work in principle but if there's no cushioning "runout" so when it trapped the car it would essentially become a nylon webbing fence.  No race track is going to install arresting gear engines all around the track.  Hell, we can barely get them to water the damn things.  wink

This training video is over 50 years old but arresting gear still operates on the same principle.

https://youtu.be/DolytF0Uf2A

 



All I was alluding to was the barrier, not all the arresting gear, etc...... necessary to stop a jet. And the principle of catching the sprint car was all I was focusing on. Regardless, no thought or idea is bad when it comes to fence safety. It's hard telling what might trigger a light bulb in someone elses mind. Like they say.....Columbus took a chance Smile 




maddog53
September 12, 2018 at 04:10:31 PM
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Posted By: egras on September 09 2018 at 08:12:40 AM

That backstretch (I think backstretch anyways--photo on right) photo looks like Beaver Dam.  I don't need to say anything else about that.  The photo on the left.....yikes.  I would agree with you. 

 

If I remember correctly, Beaver Dam shut down all 410 races to make improvements to the barriers. Anyone confirm? By the looks of it, Silver Dollar Speedway may want to think of doing the same to avoid a tragedy before it happens.  

 

As far as ticket prices go, $55 in California is like $15 in the midwest.  wink 

 



Yes, Beaver Dam shut down 410 races by cancelling the IRA, OR did the IRA cancel?  Either way, the date the IRA was to run, was filled with their home classes.   Beaver Dam does have a fence all the way around the track now.



egras
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Sorry----i was not suggesting it was Beaver Dam---was only pointing out the similarities and the obvious reason this was a bad thing.  As you eluded to.  



NWFAN
September 12, 2018 at 09:34:22 PM
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by the way hayden who was it that started the "when will  safety catch up to high speed" thread???  that's what i thought!

 

 

 


Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...


cubicdollars
September 12, 2018 at 11:05:58 PM
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revjimk
September 12, 2018 at 11:49:37 PM
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Posted By: MandGRacing96 on September 11 2018 at 07:17:05 AM

The drivers are at risk every time they strap into their cars.  Doesnt matter how safe everything is, people will always get hurt and/or killed in race cars.  Unfortunate, but true.



Of course, but the idea is to minimize serious accidents... no more dead or paralyzed drivers

You don't want to go back to the "good ole days" of no seatbelts or rollcages do you? Its a miracle ANY of those guys survived





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