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When a touring regular ties up with a non regular who tells the tow drivers who to take 1st to the work area?  At the KR a regular got 4 min because the clock expired and just then a non was towed in and clock was conveniently reset for BOTH cars. Ergo, 4 min for the WoO and 2 min for anyone else. Seems a bit slanted to me. Why doesn't it read 2 min per car, not when a car enters the work area?  In the way it is now,if  3 cars need to go to the work area,  the first in could feasably (sp) get 6 min of repair time.  Couldn't explain it to my Aussie friend at Eldora!!

That's crazy. I watched the archive tonight with the kids an thought the same thing. Sure helps to be first into the pit. I would not be surprised some track official gives the WoO first ride but in fairness they should give the most damaged vehicle 1st tow. 2 mins after track us clear sounds easy to enforce and someone who needs more time would get it.

What happens if the 2nd car doesn't make it to the pit to restart the clock before the first car's 2 minutes are up and the 1st car isnt fixed?

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

I think the rule actually reads that every car is guaranteed AT LEAST 2 minutes in the work area before the half way point, OR until the race resumes. If you get more, thats great, however you are still guaranteed 2 minutes. I believe that if you have been in the work area for 3 minutes, and the track still is not clear, you can keep working until they go green, if they clear the track after 3 minutes,  your time is up and if nobody else comes down, they will go green, if someone else comes down they will get their two minutes, so you technically have more time. Just an advantage of being the first one towed in.

Scenario A, car stops with flat tire by himself on lap 1. He gets 2 minutes even though the field is ready to go in 30 seconds. If he is not done in 2 minutes, he is done unless another caution comes without completing a lap.

Scenario B, 5 car pile up causes yellow on lap 1. Car A comes down with knocked out front end while 4 cars are still tangled up. If it takes them 6 minutes to untangle the cars before the race is ready to go green, he gets that whole time.

I'm sure a lot of us watching wondered about that, and wondered how fair the rule actually is. I could understand the way it is set up now,  the extended time, if say the highest running car in the order at the time of the incident is to be the first car towed in to the work area, etc.......But even that is still unfair in my opinion. Two minutes should be two minutes regardless who it is. After two minutes, the only way back on to the track should remain as it is.....if there is a yellow before another lap is completed. Which is how the two minute rule is stated when only one car is brought to the work area.  It would be interesting as to how the WoO answers your question about who detrmines who is first in tothe work area.   Johnny G?  You always seem to have an answer, so......

Racefanigan had the correct answer. 

No he didn't. The real question is "who decides who gets towed in first?" That can make a huge advantage to one driver.

Thanx, that is what I was alluding to.  I understand the time in the area. (Not particularly in total agreement).  What, if any, is the protocol for who is first in?  Understanding that no 2 incidents are the same, just don't like the look of improprieties.

So a decision has to be made on who gets towed first, and you are upset that someone that is committed to running the series gets preferencial treatment rather than the person who races spordacilly with the series?   How else could it be?   What would you tell the regular driver?   I know that you go to all of our shows, I know that you incur a ton of cost on the road with us, I know that you pulled to three shows last month that were rain outs, but we are going to give the dirver that we see three times a year the prefrencial treatment??   Get Real.

As far as who gets towed in first, it pretty much comes down to whichever car the wrecker hooks up to first. 

     Maybe it's different where you live, but every sprint car race I've gone to in recent years had more than one tow truck. As far as I can remember, the first tow truck to the accident site seemed to hook onto the first car it car to and the 2nd tow truck to the second. Since the tow trucks are coordinated by the tracks and not the sanctioning bodies, maybe the track has some protocol about how they handle that? If there's a conspiracy, you'd think that the local tow truck operator would hook to the local car first- just a theory.

Seems to sum it up.  When a wreck happens, and multiple cars are bunched together, the 1st wrecker will generally pull up to the easiest car to hook to----as far as I've ever seen.

It kinda sounds to me like some are accusing the WoO of ordering the wrecker drivers to dig to the bottom of a pile to get to the 15 car first. ??? 

 Silly.  

Kinda what I was thinking egras, some trying to make up a conspiracy theory when none is there, especially since the 15 is “in the pile” what, once or twice maybe in any given season. 

Thankyou Johnny Gibson for your insight!

How the hell does the 15 car get singled out into this deal? You guys act like he's the only car on tour. I think the guy had a intersesing question in the original post. The other night was the first time I recall the "two minute" clock being explained as to how it "could" become a "four minute" clock. And if the rule is stated as such, then hell yes it could be manipulated. No one said it was, but that was a legitimate question. So as it stands, the two minute clock only pertains to the last guy towed in to the work area. Yep, that's fair. (MA!)

I would say that this time in the work area evens itself out over the course of the season. Nothing worth worrying about.

So my question is, then, how does one make it fair, assuming that it isn’t fair?  Wait until every car in the accident that can be repaired is in the work area before crews can touch them? Then fans I. The stands would be crying that the show is slowed up. Even if that was how it’s done, the first car in the pits crew could assess their car before others and grab tools, parts etc without touching the car so they would still have an advantage. In the spirit of moving the show along, I’m with Johnny, it evens itself out over the course of a season....in the words of Bob Dylan, fair isn’t everyone getting the same thing, it’s everyone getting what they need to succeed.  In this case, you’re guaranteed 2 minutes, if you’re the first car in and ya get more than that, use it wisely. 

 I see the misdirection in your post...You just can't admit the NY Spankees are 5 games back as of this morning.  So shut up and drink your beer!  I know, I owe you 3 beers, but you only get those if you come to Knoxville for payment.  By then it might be 10 games back.

Go buy another pitcher.

You're kidding right? It's damn simple........each car has an official watching over the work....each car has a two minute clock! Not that damn hard to figure. They were able to time both the other night. I love it when someone says "it all evens Iyself out over the course of a season". What a cop out.

You seem to be a wound a little too tight sometimes. Haha.

I don't see a tinfoil hat theory going on here, is there an ouce of favoritisim on the side of a WoO regular? Not saying its right but I would hope so. If there were two cars sitting disabled next to each other on the track (one WoO regular and one guy or gal that runs 25 outlaw shows a year) and one tow truck backing up to take one car to the work area, I would expect that tow truck to pick up the WoO regular car before the other 10 times out of 10. Will the guy who didnt get picked up get on social media and blast WoO for being unfair? More than likely... Will a couple people that have a bone to pick with the WoO get on HH and bitch because someone shit in their Wheaties? I guarangoddamntee it! 

Blazer we agree on a gotta things, but I guess were gonna hafta friendly agree to disagree on this one. Maybe I just don't see it as a huge deal. Maybe if I was still crewing on a car like I did many moons ago and my car was the one that drew the short straw I'd see it differently but that isn't the case anymore  either way, it's too nice a day here in South Dakota for me to get worked up about it. Have a good one.