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Folks 410 racing in the upper midwest is on life support!!!

May it rest in peace... 

For out of towners.  What are the specific boundaries more or less?

Yes, please explain your "upper midwest" and why on life support?

Beep...Beep......Beep..................Beep , Knoxville and Jackson to start with car counts have been a joke.

I looked up Upper Midwest and understand the territory.  It will be good to get into August and see car counts increase overall.     Higher car counts in the 410 class would be good, but last weekend we had 46 360's and 21 410's at Calistoga the same night.  The racing was all good for a fast 1/2 mile, but the 410 heats and A main were better than the 360s and I didn't hear anyone say they missed the lack of a 410 B main.  My point is the 410 portion was very good with only 21 cars.

Last year the talk was 410 racing had never been better in the upper Midwest now you're going to claim its on life support? Never to high, never to low. I could personally careless if there were 20 cars or 30-35 because the bottom half would just be show fillers and I'd rather get home at a decent hour. Mid 20's at River Cities tonight and slide jobs everywhere for the lead. I'm happy and I'd bet most fans are too. Next year we could have 30 plus every night and all will be right in your world once again. 

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I agree with Bighess.  

I made my first trip to Jackson last Friday night.  I loved the experience, crowd was great and Beep....Beep....Beep.................Beep----there were 18 410's!

There were 18  410's again last night at Jackson Motorplex. Of the 18, 8 were under the "old" track record that was set by David Gravel a month ago! And those 8 weren't slugs! It was a quality field. And missing last night were Brain Brown, Terry McCarl and Danny Lasoski. Add them in and its even that much better. Kerry Madsen now has the track record at 15.125 (I think it was). Track was too fast for much excitement in the heat races even though Jackson inverts three rows for the 410's, but every Feature was excellent.  Kaeding won the 410 Feature from the pole but Kerry came from 8th to run second. There was plenty of racing action in the Feature throughout. All other Feature winners came from starting in the field at 3, 4 and 5 rows back. Baker does have the handle on track prep. What they did to the track after the heats was perfection.  We fans here in the Midwest know the car counts need to improve, but not by a huge number with the quality we have for a foundation. Not sure "which" "shake n bake" it was that started the post and throws the Midwest under the bus.....but all I can say if it's the one biased against Knoxville/Jackson is "how are the car counts at Badlands?" The Badlands fiasco remains to have a negative inpact on sprint car racing in the Midwest just as it did from the very beginning. I'm not such a staunch loyalist that I'm not aware of what's going on and looking at things through rose colored glasses. It is tough for sprint car tracks here right now. But the real key owners and promoters are not throwing in the towell! They are investing time and lots of money to give sprint car racing new life. It will get better.

Yes, I truly appreciated how Chuck had tried his hardest to divide sprint car racing in the upper midwest.  You start this thread with saying sprint car racing is on life support in the upper midwest, then follow that up by saying you miss the man that tried to divide sprint car racing in the upper midwest. 

JMO--if Chuck loves sprint car racing so much, he should have run a full schedule on Sunday nights of this year while he tried to sell his track.  And, he could just put it up for sale at the $2-3 million it is going to eventually sell for.  

C'mon Egras!   Haven't you heard that there's going to be an announcement at any time???

I'm quite sure he appreciates you being on this forum kissing his @$$ though.   

"mid 20s at River Cities last nite", actually there were 27  410 sprint cars at River Cities last nite, which is close to average for their Friday nite shows,  last year the average was 29 according to River Cities Speedway article in either Flat Out or Sprint Car and Midget magazine several months ago, or possibly that 29 number was the average Super Late Models for the year, but both classes were in mid to upper 20s car count. also a great car count for the midwest mods and  street stocks. 

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

Not all the 27 NOSA sprint cars were 410's @ Grand Forks last night.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you the one who cried wolf at least two times already about Huset's being sold and an announcement being imminent.

And you can't get much "upper Midwest" than Grand Forks without going through a border crossing. 

Stan Meissner

Yup, sure would help 410 racing in the midwest if he would buy some more tracks, spend a stupid amount of money for 1 year then close them because some people online hurt his feelings. I bet most race fans by far would rather have the old Husets back running on Sunday nights than Badlands with all the great improvements sitting unused and for sale at a price only an idiot would pay for a dirt track.

As far as "not all 27 NOSA  sprint cars at Grand Forks were 410's"  Gees, louise, to get called on the carpet for that?  Sorry about my  mistake, but my answer to that is No Shiite   Any 3/8ths or quarter-mile or 1/3rd bullring track in any place in the country will have a couple 360s running, especially if the track is heavy from a rainy week.  I've seen 360s win the feature in Grand Forks a few times.  Sometimes the extra HP from a 410 is almost  a hindrance

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

Excuse me, that 360 post above should say "a dry slick track", not a heavy track though some wet tracks, the same might be true.

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

The reason it is dying is places like Huron are allowed to have 410 shows at all.  That track surface was basically asphalt.  What an embarrasement.  It is pretty obvious that if promoters cannot have a track better than that, they are better off racing some crate type hard tire show because their surface is junk....any team spent over $600 in tires last night alone at Huron.