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Thursday, June 8th has been confirmed as the make up date for the IRA/All Star race.  It will become an IRA saction only race as some All Star teams would not be able to make the tow.  Purse will remain the same.  Go to IRA website or Bumper to Bumper IRA Sprints Facebook page for more info.  Thursday is the start of a very mini Wisconsin Sprint Week with Oshkosh Friday night and ending Saturday night at Wilmot.  Should be a fun 3 nights

The IRA is a group made up of working class drivers and crews. Running them up and down the state every other week, 2-3 nights a week, will run them right out of a car count. It is already. As fans we will try to hit as many as possible, the 8th included, but I sure wishe they would run more shows closer to south wisconsin/ill, where the majority of the fan base is. They are stretching these teams way to thin. Just to follow those 3 nights will cost me around $150 with travel, I cant imagine how the teams cover the costs associated with that on a budget already,

I get what you are saying, but on the other hand, I am pretty sure that Steve does not make the schedule with intent on losing teams.  I would guess that they have some input on travel. Don't forget, not all teams are from around the WI/IL border.  These rainouts that happen after teams arrive sure don't help either.  These guys also must know going in that they are going to lose money, they are faced with keeping that figure as low as possible, and if that means not making the pull, then thats what happens.  That is not good for the fans.

I believe they have made the schedule easier on teams. There are 15 races on the schedule between beaver Dam, Dodge county, Sun prairie , and wilmot. And by using Wilmot as a starting point (near wi/il border in south eastern wi) there are another 15 races within a two and a half hour drive including joliet,faibury,  la salle ,oskosh, plymouth  fransis,creek and oskosh. That only leaves 6 that are long drives and they are spaced out through out the year and sometimes combined on the same weekend to limit travel. I think thats pretty good for a (semi)traveling group.

I'm in a good spot.  25 minutes south of Wilmot and all those tracks are like you said, 2, 2 1/2 hrs for me. 

...i drove 9 hours one way last Sunday to watch qualifying and to get no refund...to be blunt the fans within a 2 hour drive should feel fortunate for all the options that you have for tracks to go to.  I do not have that option. So that one night cost me around the same ballpark for your three night weekend...oh ya I was at work by 7 the next morning too 

You could have lived in Sun Prairie and recieved no refund.  It is the nature of the business.  If you are a huge Sprint fan, you should know this already.  And yes, I do feel fortunate to have as many options so close to me.  I utilize those options often

I'm kind of new to the forum and have a decent understanfing of the cars and the WOO and All Stars as sanctioning bodies.

I see 16 cars in each. Other than politics what keeps these 2 bodies seperate and what would influence a car owner to join one over the other?

I understand they both travel coast to coast so all drivers would be "full time professionals"  What are the big goods and bads of each body?

 Notice Tony Stewart owns one but has his car in the other? Why?

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All Stars do NOT travel coast to coast. They are a regional sanctioning body that mainly stays in OH and PA. A few stops in states around there in the Midwest. Most of the All Stars team, at least this year, are not made up of full time professionals. 

Smoke bought All Stars 3ish years ago when there was dissention with the former owner Guy Webb (who had run the ASCOC into the ground). TSR has owned a WoO car for years, many years before Tony bought the All Stars. He also owns Eldora Speedway if you didn't know. 

Thank you - More Sprint 101 questions!

So the WOO are the only NAtional travelling group?

The AllStars are Penn and NY area?

The IRA is Wisonsin and Illinios? Mostly

The Posse is just a nick name for the locals in Pennsylvania.

Where is the USAC located?

What is the sanctioning body in California area?

Is there little of no local Sprints in Texas Florida and the far south?

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WoO is the only national touring 410 series

All Stars are mostly Ohio area of the country, with stops in PA and minimal stops in other states such as IL and WI

IRA is mostly WI with 2-3 races in IL each year. The 410 series in IL is MOWA (Midwest Open Wheel Association). These two series sometimes co-sanction events

Correct on the Posse. Pennsylvania Posse. Strong schedule of sprint car racing. Multiple shows in the state any given weekend

USAC is based out of Indianapolis and mostly sticks to the IN area. Midgets and Sprint cars make a single swing to PA each year as well as a swing to the Southwest at the end of the year to finish the season off. They take a couple weekends each year to travel as far as MO, IA, IL etc.

The 410 series in CA is KWS (King of the West). There are mutiple 360 series in CA as well. The new SCCT (Sprint Car Challenge Series) is really blowing up right now and was actually started by Kyle Larson's father if I am not mistaken

ASCS (American Sprint Car Series) is a 360 santioning body that runs all over the country. They have a national touring series as well as MULTIPLE regional series. I believe they have a region that covers OK, TX. I believe they also have one that covers FL. You can check all their series on their website. www.ascsracing.com

Hope that answered most questions

Real race cars don't have fenders...

Stealth covers it here. 

Posse is considered Central PA only...Western PA drivers are not considered Posse, well until they beat the Outlaws or All Stars..haha...one of the great mysteries in all of Sprint Car Racing is how one "becomes" posse or is identified as "posse."  I kid, but yeah it's Central PA drivers/fans that identify as Posse.

CA right now is mostly 360 racing with KWS being the 410 sanction in the state, though KWS does not typically run a "full" schedule, meaning they do not host races every single weekend. About 18ish shows a year. 

USAC Sprint Cars are wingless, which is mostly popular in Indiana.  USAC also sanctions Silver Crown and Midget racing.

If you want more input or have additional questions (even if they are "101" type questions) start a thread and you'll get some good answers and information...okay and some smartass ones, but that's the nature of Hoseheads

thanks guys that clears the confusion. So the 1st thing any driver from any area needs to address is how much they want to travel. / time commitment.

You got regional with small travel small payouts to All Stars who over lap the regional areas with bigger prizes but more road time then the Woo HOO's with more moneya =nd more travel

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A TON of drivers also run weekly at their local dirt track and do not become full time members of a specific sanctioning body.  They can run when WoO or All Stars or whomever are in town or close by, but your local dirt track will have drivers that "run for points" at the track each week. Tracks have a "point fund" set up for drivers.  But deciding on IF you want to become a member of a sanctioning body does require some cost analysis involving travel, expenses, logistics, equipment, time, etc. 

USCS 360s run down Georgia, Mississippi, Carolinas (?) and Florida area as well.

If you are a race fan, you have to be aware of the weather and the chance of a rain-out.  In the last 25 years of travelling to races, I've only ever witnessed two outcomes after a rain-out.  1) Postponed to a later date or 2) Refund.  I've only personally seen the refund once.  IRA vs AllStars is a pretty big race for Wisconsin.  I'm sure they want to get it in.  Guessing a refund was never in the cards.  Something all of us fans need to know before we travel to a race. 

in my 40+ years, a rainout with NO REFUND has only occurred if all heats were completed in the program (I don't know if they were in this case, but if so, no refund would be given, it was considered a complete show). 

I have never been turned down for a refund for a rain-out of a stand-alone date by anyone if it was a "special" or a race a long ways from where I lived.  (especially those postponed to a date the following week, month or months later).  I might have had to mail the tickets in and wait on my money, but I always got it.

Only exception I can even think of that don't even offer refunds are the Knoxville Nationals.  Your tickets state that "all shows will be run" and to my recollection, they always have been, including afternoon shows, a Sunday show or the granddaddy of them all, the 1987 Nationals with Prelim night #1 @ 10:00 AM Saturday, Prelim Night #2 at 5:00 PM Saturday, Championship Night with Hotlaps @ midnight Saturday/Sunday and a one-night show for everyone not in the A main on Saturday on Sunday night @ 6:30.

King's Royal also always ran, even it that meant the sun was coming up when the checkers flew.

Different situation---I remember the IRA showing up at my local track in Freeport, IL back about 10-15 years ago.  Gate was $22, which was pretty steep back then.  The IRA took one look at the fence and refused to run the 1/2 mile as it was not safe.  (didn't blame 'em)  They settled and ran the 1/4 mile track.  Heat #2, car gets up in the fence and rips the fence down---car stuck.  Races cancelled due to  no time to fix the fence.  Refund?  $10.  Races cancelled for a track issue should be 100% refund.  Mother nature is a different story.  

Needless to say, Freeport Raceway Park did not last long.  I drive by it everyday----it is now a cornfield.  (as much of a shithole as it was, I still miss it)

Was there that night also. Think it was a biertzer that crashed. That has to be the most fence I have ever seen torn down. That was ridiculous running the small tracks non banked sharp turn coming onto the front stretch. it was just a matter of time. I remember they gave us a choice though as many only came for the sprints. You could take a full refund and leave or stay with the 1/2ish refund and watch the support classes which raced on without the fence even using the 1/2 mile.

Hales Corners was an awesome track too...another shithole, but awesome!

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