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tboysen00
July 06, 2016 at 08:56:36 AM
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Anybody but Donny?

Hope Rico shows up. 




dsc1600
July 06, 2016 at 09:18:36 AM
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You're going to have to be really good to beat Schatz obviously. The only car that's been faster than him in the last 10 or so years was Sammy in 2010. The last 2 years have been jokes, with no one really close.



egras
July 06, 2016 at 09:43:38 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 06 2016 at 09:18:36 AM

You're going to have to be really good to beat Schatz obviously. The only car that's been faster than him in the last 10 or so years was Sammy in 2010. The last 2 years have been jokes, with no one really close.



Hmmmmm...............I remember a 21 car that was pretty close. 

If I remember correctly: Up to his "door" at the finish in 2013.  Chased him down before making a bad mistake in turn 2 in 2014.  A second place finish for the third straight year in 2015.  I would agree Schatz was better 2 of those 3 years but to say not really close is not at all accurate.  In 2014, Brian was better the last 10 laps of the race--once again, he just messed up with 2 or 3 to go and lost his momentum.  Otherwise could have been a drag race to the finish. 

As far as 2016, I look for Brown to be good again.  Rico, while good against the outlaws everywhere he goes, has not really impressed much at the Nationals.  I hope that changes, but I won't call him a threat until we see how he looks in his qualifying night.

The real threat, I believe, is going to be Larson if he shows up in the #57 car. 

 




Paintboss
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July 06, 2016 at 10:09:49 AM
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NASCRAP is off the week of Nationals. Should be a good chance of seeing Rico, Larson and maybe even Kahne.



Keyboard Jockey
July 06, 2016 at 10:17:51 AM
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Posted By: egras on July 06 2016 at 09:43:38 AM

Hmmmmm...............I remember a 21 car that was pretty close. 

If I remember correctly: Up to his "door" at the finish in 2013.  Chased him down before making a bad mistake in turn 2 in 2014.  A second place finish for the third straight year in 2015.  I would agree Schatz was better 2 of those 3 years but to say not really close is not at all accurate.  In 2014, Brian was better the last 10 laps of the race--once again, he just messed up with 2 or 3 to go and lost his momentum.  Otherwise could have been a drag race to the finish. 

As far as 2016, I look for Brown to be good again.  Rico, while good against the outlaws everywhere he goes, has not really impressed much at the Nationals.  I hope that changes, but I won't call him a threat until we see how he looks in his qualifying night.

The real threat, I believe, is going to be Larson if he shows up in the #57 car. 

 



My opinion is that Brown was running 110% and when he caught up to Schatz, which he was about 80%. Schatz seemed to grab another gear and go at that point.  Just what it looked like from my vantage point.



dsc1600
July 06, 2016 at 10:25:14 AM
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Posted By: Keyboard Jockey on July 06 2016 at 10:17:51 AM

My opinion is that Brown was running 110% and when he caught up to Schatz, which he was about 80%. Schatz seemed to grab another gear and go at that point.  Just what it looked like from my vantage point.



That was my thought as well. The only car that was capable of keeping Schatz from passing was Sammy in 2010.




egras
July 06, 2016 at 11:11:59 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 06 2016 at 10:25:14 AM

That was my thought as well. The only car that was capable of keeping Schatz from passing was Sammy in 2010.



Not going to argue with you guys as your points are valid.  I do think though that Brown was possibly faster in '14 before bobbling because he ate a lot of ground up in a hurry.  But, your observations could be correct.

And, yes, Sammy in '10 was the only one that there is no dispute about--he was faster!  Man, would I have loved to see that come down to those two exchanging the lead for the last two laps.  Can you imagine if Schatz would have slid him in 3-4 and Sammy would have turned back under him for a drag race to the finish?  If Sammy would have pulled it off, I think the crowd may have been even louder than it was when the 83 pulled it off. 



dsc1600
July 06, 2016 at 11:29:32 AM
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If Larson races and can help Stewart be as good as he was with Silva in the 57, he could have a shot. There was a year when Shane came from 17th and another few laps may have had something for Schatz. It'll be a cool atmosphere with him going for 10 and an unprecendented 6th straight win.



ColtanW
July 06, 2016 at 11:42:52 AM
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I think Larson in the Silva 57 will be the best bet against Schatz. He proved during Ohio Sprint Week that he can hop in a sprint car and win on any given night against tough competition. I think Larson will need to use a bit of his NASCAR patience for the 50 lap feature. Along with Larson, I think Brian Brown, Brad Sweet, and David Gravel could all be very tough this year. I'd love to see Sammy win it all, but we'll have to see if his speed and momentum from the past few weeks sticks with him. I sure hope it does.


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Dryslick Willie
July 06, 2016 at 01:04:16 PM
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Posted By: tboysen00 on July 06 2016 at 08:56:36 AM

Anybody but Donny?

Hope Rico shows up. 



Would love to see Rico run, but only if he intends to run the main.   



revjimk
July 06, 2016 at 01:09:38 PM
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I would love to see someone else win, but if I had to bet, it would be either Donnie or that Schatz guy....

OK, my longshot, not even sure that he's going: Lance DeWease!



tboysen00
July 06, 2016 at 02:14:05 PM
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Even though neither of these are my favorites from what I have seen Brad Sweet has been running well this year and Kerry Madsen always runs well at Nationals. Hopefully a couple cars make it a race this year with Schatz




blazer00
July 06, 2016 at 02:31:56 PM
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Posted By: egras on July 06 2016 at 09:43:38 AM

Hmmmmm...............I remember a 21 car that was pretty close. 

If I remember correctly: Up to his "door" at the finish in 2013.  Chased him down before making a bad mistake in turn 2 in 2014.  A second place finish for the third straight year in 2015.  I would agree Schatz was better 2 of those 3 years but to say not really close is not at all accurate.  In 2014, Brian was better the last 10 laps of the race--once again, he just messed up with 2 or 3 to go and lost his momentum.  Otherwise could have been a drag race to the finish. 

As far as 2016, I look for Brown to be good again.  Rico, while good against the outlaws everywhere he goes, has not really impressed much at the Nationals.  I hope that changes, but I won't call him a threat until we see how he looks in his qualifying night.

The real threat, I believe, is going to be Larson if he shows up in the #57 car. 

 



To make a long story short.....the mistake Brown made was in turn two, but the mistake was he passed Schatz with 7 laps to go......showing Schatz the fast line in one and two.....Schatz had been running low through there......after a couple laps Donny got under and passed Brian in four......then Donny went to the high side in two and three and drove away.     

Wolfgang once said of Kinser...."even if your faster than he is and you know you can pass him at any given time.....do it on the last lap. If you don't, you've shown him the quicker line and his elbows will come up and he will get you back!"  If anybody is going to beat Schatz when Schatz is leading, they best not pass him too early.



ColtanW
July 06, 2016 at 03:42:17 PM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on July 06 2016 at 01:04:16 PM

Would love to see Rico run, but only if he intends to run the main.   



Rico has it on his schedule on his website.

http://www.ricoabreu.com/schedule

There's no NASCAR race he has a commitment to this year so he'll be there on Saturday.


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fairlane
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July 06, 2016 at 04:14:36 PM
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Stewart could be a upset,he always runs good there? along with Sammy,lasaki,Madsen,Brown 




kart91
July 06, 2016 at 04:17:06 PM
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Couple of other names - Sammy (been fast lately, has to put a whole week together), Lasoski (not a great year, but he's always fast at the Nationals), and McCarl (has had a pretty solid year so far, will be racing for the memory of his Dad).  Schatz hasn't been as dominant this year as years past.  Although he's still the prohibitive favorite, there are a handful of guys that can make it interesting.



revjimk
July 06, 2016 at 05:23:00 PM
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Posted By: kart91 on July 06 2016 at 04:17:06 PM

Couple of other names - Sammy (been fast lately, has to put a whole week together), Lasoski (not a great year, but he's always fast at the Nationals), and McCarl (has had a pretty solid year so far, will be racing for the memory of his Dad).  Schatz hasn't been as dominant this year as years past.  Although he's still the prohibitive favorite, there are a handful of guys that can make it interesting.



Well he usually gets hot in August, wins Nationals & damn near runs the table after that. He already is way ahead in wins....



paydirt28
July 06, 2016 at 06:47:16 PM
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Schatz's underachievments this year include the WoO points lead, most wins, and a 2nd and 1st place finish at Knoxville. 




fiXXXer
July 06, 2016 at 07:23:42 PM
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This message was edited on July 06, 2016 at 07:26:02 PM by fiXXXer

When you assemble this much talent at the biggest race on earth, anything can happen. I'd really love to see Brian Brown win it this year or any year for that matter. No one in sprint car racing is as classy as he is and he deserves to win this race and one day, he will. I'd also love to see Sammy win it. Love him or hate him, Knoxville has been so unkind to him that it's almost as if he never won it before. If he won at at this point, it would almost definitely mean more to him than the first one. That said, I can't bet against Schatz. He's been so good there that even in years when it looked like he may not have it, he's still found a way to get it done. He's not having the dominant year this year that he had last year but he's still the best and he's still winning more than anyone on the WoO tour which leads me to believe, he'll still be the undisputed man to beat when everyone rolls into Knoxville this year. 



kmart
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July 06, 2016 at 07:27:35 PM
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Posted By: paydirt28 on July 06 2016 at 06:47:16 PM

Schatz's underachievments this year include the WoO points lead, most wins, and a 2nd and 1st place finish at Knoxville. 



I keep thinking every year he will have a flat tire, get into a crash or something. I dont hate the guy at all, hes awful good but its time somebody else wins it. Saldana, Larson, Sweet look like they are strong but Brown, K. Madsen and McCarl can run with the best of them. The sleeper of this year is Dollansky. He knows Knoxville just as good as anybody.





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